Has the current propaganda focus on speed and road safety affected how you ride?

[scumdog]

I know, we need stupid detectors!

I've always said that!

What we need is a 'stupidometer' to detect stupid driving/riding from a distance.

Oh, and more plain cars to catch out the dick-wads that drive like idiots only when they think no cop is in their vicinity.

[rustic101]

I don't ride like a nanna, nor do I ride like a retard but I do step over the posted speed more often than not.

My biggest headache this holiday session has been cars and a few bikes crossing the center line. My other is wankers sitting right on my arse - That above all else gets me extremely nervous. Most times I'll hold my line and current speed until I feel safe to move or slow down to let them past.

The trip between BULLS and WANGANUI on boxing day was the worst I've had yet. The humor in most cases was that I eventually past most drivers a few ks down the road.

[Coldrider]

The humour I saw that day was bikers passing cages (sitting at 100 to 105 kph)at warp speed on the straights and passing lanes, then slowing down to 90kph for corners, positioning cars on their tails. WTF is that about?

[swbarnett]

The humour I saw that day was bikers passing cages (sitting at 100 to 105 kph)at warp speed on the straights and passing lanes, then slowing down to 90kph for corners, positioning cars on their tails. WTF is that about?

Riders who can't corner properly?

Sounds just as bad as cagers that speed up for passing lanes.

[Coldrider]

Riders who can't corner properly?

Sounds just as bad as cagers that speed up for passing lanes.

Why pass cars illegally and then have a subset of skills that hold the cages up ? (a serious lack of judgement of the capabilities of some vehicles and drivers).

Cagers and others that speed up on passing lines do so because they feel safe to travel at the limit in that space.

[Maha]

The humour I saw that day was bikers passing cages (sitting at 100 to 105 kph)at warp speed on the straights and passing lanes, then slowing down to 90kph for corners, positioning cars on their tails. WTF is that about?

South of here is a crash hot spot passing lane. On the 29th, we were in a line of cars heading south (the passing lanes are north bound) with double yellow lines to our right. The double yellows continue around a right hand bend and on for about another 300 mts. To the far right about halfway up the passing is a metal dump. The car about four ahead of us suddenly pulls out of the line and head across the two lanes towards the metal dump,why? I dont know but what astounded me was, there was a bike overtaking all of us at the same time, over the double yellows. The bike was alongside me when the car ahead pulled out (the car was indicating) did it phase the biker? nope, he carried on, around the right hand bend and beyond. If we were quick enough, we would have *555 the wanker on the bike, he clearly has no respect for his own life let alone anyone elses. Did the car driver see the bike? who fucking cares, the bike was not supposed to be there.

[schrodingers cat]

I think I would find the question easier to answer if you asked how much was I prepared to spend to save a human life.

I think I would be prepared to spend $1m to save a human life.

Irrespective of cause?

BTW

[swbarnett]

Why pass cars illegally and then have a subset of skills that hold the cages up ? (a serious lack of judgement of the capabilities of some vehicles and drivers).

Indeed. Sometimes it's just a matter on under estimating the cage driver's ability. I've done this once or twice (I was in a cage myself at the time). As soon as I realise that the other driver is faster than me in the corners (even though they were crawling down the straight) I'll let them past at the next safe opportunity.

Cagers and others that speed up on passing lines do so because they feel safe to travel at the limit in that space.

I was actually thinking of those that speed up over the speed limit for passing lanes (after crawling through the corners), making it all but impossible for faster drivers to pass in the length of the passing lane without breaking the sound barrier.

[swbarnett]

Deaths per population is a meaningless figure. It depends on how many ks the average citizen does in a given year. Switzerlan would be artificially low because most of the population doesn't even own a vehicle (1 car per 1350 residents in Zurich in the mid 90s). Whereas NZ is artificially high because we tend to drive a lot.

[schrodingers cat]

Deaths per population is a meaningless figure. It depends on how many ks the average citizen does in a given year. Switzerlan would be artificially low because most of the population doesn't even own a vehicle (1 car per 1350 residents in Zurich in the mid 90s). Whereas NZ is artificially high because we tend to drive a lot.

Correct. The trend is in fact a falling road toll.

Most posters on here seem to want better roads.

I saw an interesting graphic the other day that showed the location and size of fatal accidents in 2010. It looked like a picture showing distribution of population to me...

Katman wants to reduce human stupidity as a strategy. Bless. Its a nice idea but then so is the rotary engine (in theory)

[Pixie]

The only bullshit that affects the way I ride is the kind that real cows produce -not that stupid cow Paula Rose.

[Pixie]

Don't worry, I'm sure they've already thought it.

The reason they don't try and implement anything so drastic is that it would violate the boiling frog principle that politicians are so fond of. Personly I wish they would push the envelope a lot further. Then they would find out just what us apathetic kiwis are capable of (aka the UK poll tax).

Don't go there.
The thought of 4.2 million kiwis bent over,lubricated and waiting to be rogered makes me shudder

[Pixie]

As I've said before, no-one has ever asked for a zero road toll. That is clearly an unrealistic expectation.

I think you will find that this and previous governments do have a zero target to be achieved by 2020 or 2050 depending on which source you read

[schrodingers cat]

Indeed. Sometimes it's just a matter on under estimating the cage driver's ability. I've done this once or twice (I was in a cage myself at the time). As soon as I realise that the other driver is faster than me in the corners (even though they were crawling down the straight) I'll let them past at the next safe opportunity.

And for that, fellow citizen, you can have bling!

The amount of morons I've encountered over the last 10 days and 1500km's who are unable or unwilling to travel at posted highway speeds in perfect road conditions. The percentage who make any effort to let you past is pitiful.

In my eyes, a good driver is one who is AWARE of what is happening ALL around them and drives in a co-operative manner.

[swbarnett]

Don't go there.
The thought of 4.2 million kiwis bent over,lubricated and waiting to be rogered makes me shudder

Aren't we doing that now? If it was shooting rather than rogering don't you think a fair percentage of the population would finally yell enough?

I think you under estimate what we're capable if pushed far enough in one hit. TPTB seem to understand the boiling frog syndrome and are using it to great effect. I'd rather TPTB pushed hard enough in one go to get us all fighting than slowly wittled away at our freedoms as they're currently doing. In the long run the the latter is much worse.