The safest country in the world for the next 50 years?

[racefactory]

Interesting thread.

Too many fucking people in this world and you are just too right, it will all end with disease and mass migration, ultimately crushing us 'whites'.

We've had our turn in the history books with power and civilization and the others will not stop till they have had a taste of it too.

It's in our nature to destroy ourselves.

[mashman]

Mmm sort of - there are plenty of areas of wilderness but they are desolate for a reason. Hard to get to and tough to live in. Plus you'd have to count on all the other people who have the same idea...

Those who have the same idea may well be pretty "civilised", and i wouldn't mind tough to live in if the alternative is spending each and every single day and night scrapping for food and water and wondering who was coming to take that last bag of chippies... But if it has to be somewhere... i'm with puddytat... NZ fits the bill...

except, thanks to Uncle Helen, no realistic way to defend itself from a horde of muslim indonesians from ooop nooorth trying to take our jobs, women, and primary produce sectors, and impose retarded stone age sharia law.

You reckon there'd be a horde of organised people should everything turn to shit? I'd be surprised if half of the boats made it out of their ports, let alone have the fuel to make it this far... and even then I doubt that many could navigate the oceans to make it here (GPS etc... or not) and by the time they did, they'd be so weak that they'd be easy to defend against... just stock up on bazookas and sea mines

It's in our nature to destroy ourselves.

I disagree.

[racefactory]

Is anyone (especially in Auckland) sometimes already feeling at all threatened as a white person? I sometimes feel it won't be long till there are no more of us left in our own country.

[scissorhands]

Is anyone (especially in Auckland) sometimes already feeling at all threatened as a white person? I sometimes feel it won't be long till there are no more of us left in our own country.

I've taken to using brown shoe polish as a precaution.

[mashman]

Is anyone (especially in Auckland) sometimes already feeling at all threatened as a white person? I sometimes feel it won't be long till there are no more of us left in our own country.

lay off the weed, ze paranoia must be kickin in ... try London's Kings Cross market at 4am... all teeth, eyes and bastardised english... fuckin good people though , put you at ease real quick...

[Woodman]

Is anyone (especially in Auckland) sometimes already feeling at all threatened as a white person? I sometimes feel it won't be long till there are no more of us left in our own country.

Mate get over it, you are sounding like an australian. The white people haven't been here that many generations yet themselves. NZ is still being colonised.

I think the hoards of Indonesians heading to Aussie are looking for a safe future too, just like us.

[scissorhands]

French immigration to NZ has quadrupled in the last couple of years.

Viva la France!

[davereid]

Our best hope is that they invade Aussie first and get lost somewhere in the desert.

In WW2, japanese planners considered invading NZ before Austraila.

They felt..

If the invaded Australia from the north, they were still miles from the prize cities in the south east. They would hold no major ports. Austrailia could be endlessly resupplied and reinforced from New Zealand.

On the other hand, if they invaded NZ first, they had the best ports, they controlled the tasman sea, NZ acted as a natural fort for ensuring the US could not reinforce aussie, and they had plentiful food, coal etc.

[HenryDorsetCase]

In WW2, japanese planners considered invading NZ before Austraila.

They felt..

If the invaded Australia from the north, they were still miles from the prize cities in the south east. They would hold no major ports. Austrailia could be endlessly resupplied and reinforced from New Zealand.

On the other hand, if they invaded NZ first, they had the best ports, they controlled the tasman sea, NZ acted as a natural fort for ensuring the US could not reinforce aussie, and they had plentiful food, coal etc.

source? that is very interesting: and of course ties in with the Japanese subs in (was it?) Orklind harbour and stuff.

[Winston001]

In WW2, japanese planners considered invading NZ before Austraila.

They felt..

If the invaded Australia from the north, they were still miles from the prize cities in the south east. They would hold no major ports. Austrailia could be endlessly resupplied and reinforced from New Zealand.

On the other hand, if they invaded NZ first, they had the best ports, they controlled the tasman sea, NZ acted as a natural fort for ensuring the US could not reinforce aussie, and they had plentiful food, coal etc.

Interesting...but they didn't do it. They did bomb Darwin which suggests that was their invasion point.

[Gibbo89]

source? that is very interesting: and of course ties in with the Japanese subs in (was it?) Orklind harbour and stuff.

Lyttelton harbour was where some were spotted, the gun emplacements on Godley Head sunk a fishing ship that didn't identify itself in fear that it was the Japs

[davereid]

source? that is very interesting: and of course ties in with the Japanese subs in (was it?) Orklind harbour and stuff.

I have been googling away trying to find where I read it, and of course as is always the case, these things remain hidden when they are wanted.

So I hang my head in shame, unable to find my reference...

One thing I found about the article was it focuused on external threats to way of life, and liberty.

Are we sure thats where the threat will come from ?

As New Zealanders we have had stable and relatively benign government for many years, to the point we are complacent.

But it seems to me, we are rapidly building the tools of tyranny.

We have seen the end of the privy council, the end of the presumption of innocence, the end of jury trials for many crimes. We may now be subjected to random search and siezure for a wide range of offences. The government through the EGOVT ID system operated by the Department of Internal Affairs is well down the path of creating a biometric "virtual"ID card system for us. Virtual, because you dont need to carry it, computer networks will enable it to be stored and retreived when required.

http://www.e.govt.nz/plone/archive/s...ion/ivs.1.html

The NZTA have considered vehicle tracking systems that track your vehicle, and you as well by tracking your cellphone, as well as electronically managing your fines, parking and registration.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/re...7/docs/397.pdf

Many of the technologies used have legitimate reasons to be used.

But it is a basic principle that once enforcement can occur without public support, then anything can be required of the public.

[oneofsix]

As New Zealanders we have had stable and relatively benign government for many years, to the point we are complacent.

But it seems to me, we are rapidly building the tools of tyranny.

We have seen the end of the privy council, the end of the presumption of innocence, the end of jury trials for many crimes. We may now be subjected to random search and siezure for a wide range of offences. The government through the EGOVT ID system operated by the Department of Internal Affairs is well down the path of creating a biometric "virtual"ID card system for us. Virtual, because you dont need to carry it, computer networks will enable it to be stored and retreived when required.

You omitted the ability for the trial to proceed without the the defendant being present currently being introduced.
Our benign governments have seduced us. As I am sure will be pointed out these measure are introduced to save money and wont be used badly, someone always says something like that, but they can be and therefore should not be allowed, they aren't required.
Trust the government, or to put in a way more will understand, trust politicians?

[Woodman]

I have been googling away trying to find where I read it, and of course as is always the case, these things remain hidden when they are wanted.

So I hang my head in shame, unable to find my reference...

One thing I found about the article was it focuused on external threats to way of life, and liberty.

Are we sure thats where the threat will come from ?

As New Zealanders we have had stable and relatively benign government for many years, to the point we are complacent.

But it seems to me, we are rapidly building the tools of tyranny.

We have seen the end of the privy council, the end of the presumption of innocence, the end of jury trials for many crimes. We may now be subjected to random search and siezure for a wide range of offences. The government through the EGOVT ID system operated by the Department of Internal Affairs is well down the path of creating a biometric "virtual"ID card system for us. Virtual, because you dont need to carry it, computer networks will enable it to be stored and retreived when required.

http://www.e.govt.nz/plone/archive/s...ion/ivs.1.html

The NZTA have considered vehicle tracking systems that track your vehicle, and you as well by tracking your cellphone, as well as electronically managing your fines, parking and registration.

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/re...7/docs/397.pdf

Many of the technologies used have legitimate reasons to be used.

But it is a basic principle that once enforcement can occur without public support, then anything can be required of the public.

if they were really trying to take away our rights and subdue us, then why haven't they made firearms illegal?
Its very hard to oppress the populus when they are armed.

[oneofsix]

if they were really trying to take away our rights and subdue us, then why haven't they made firearms illegal?
Its very hard to oppress the populus when they are armed.

They have been working on it for years. Goes against our pioneering , diy culture so they have to take it slow but this is why everytime there is a shooting incident they tighten the rules even though the existing ones would have worked