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**DEATH_INC.** · 24th January 2011, 10:28

Originally Posted by Grubber

Of coarse bloody not! Jeez mate.
Not going to carry on with this as it is obviously far too difficult for you to follow.

I'm not picking on you personally, but I wish people would think before regurgitating the police line on speed. Speed does not cause accidents. Not on it's own.

**Ocean1** · 24th January 2011, 10:29

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

I've had a couple I didn't earn. But I'm by far not the only one....

Three. Just the one genuine mistake.

Originally Posted by James Deuce

in a group of bikes 5 minutes behind someone doing something silly and then been ticketed because you're on a bike and may have been doing the same thing.

Snap.

**Quasievil** · 24th January 2011, 10:33

People Cause accidents, if we get rid of the people we will eliminate 100% of road crashes, this is the only way forward !

**DEATH_INC.** · 24th January 2011, 10:35

Originally Posted by Quasievil

People Cause accidents, if we get rid of the people we will eliminate 100% of road crashes, this is the only way forward !

Spot on Quasi....though there are some that will argue that we are already trying to do that

**mashman** · 24th January 2011, 10:35

this one again... I agree we need to take personal responsibility, i'm pretty sure I will when I crash (unless i decide not to

)... Unfortunately ACC, Insurance Companies, Police, the Courts etc... are all set up to assign blame. Some for financial reasons, some for legal reasons, some for safety reasons (tui?)... and then we wonder why deny deny deny is the mantra. It may save you a few hundy or a trip to the big house... that's why we deny deny deny...

**davebullet** · 24th January 2011, 10:37

Those that blame are the last to learn.

There's a lame in every blame.

**Banditbandit** · 24th January 2011, 10:59

Originally Posted by Grubber

For the ones causing the problems it may well be. It's not the answer though!

I think you know what he means. There are some out there that do 150k and moan like shit when they get caught and also crash and blame others, then there is the ones that restrict there speed to a safer margin to remain alive and avoid tickets.
Thought it was pretty obvious really.

It was obvious - I just object to being preached to about speed and crashes by someone who admits they speed and crash ...

**rastuscat** · 24th January 2011, 11:17

Hey, I cracked it !!

SOE is the problem. SOE causes all the crashes on the road, and causes all the problems in society.

Yes, SOE. Track him/her down and sort him/her out.

P.S. SOE is someone else. It's far easier to blame someone else than to accept responsibility for our own crashes..

Donuts.

**Big Dave** · 24th January 2011, 11:19

I blame Renegade Master.

**Usarka** · 24th January 2011, 11:53

Victoria Motorcycle Safety Campaign:

The new campaign reminds riders about the types of risks they are exposed to every time they ride and that no matter who is at fault (renegade master), it likely to come of second best in the case of a crash.

**Grubber** · 24th January 2011, 12:22

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

It was obvious - I just object to being preached to about speed and crashes by someone who admits they speed and crash ...

Big difference between preaching and passing on experience that i learn from. Anyone can do whatever they want, my point is that the more that speed (as in 150k plus ) and try, i repeat try to corner like rossi the more that will crash and burn at some time or another. If your not one of those then my comments are obviously not directed at you. If you are one that over steps the boundaries of safe riding then suck it up i say. your the one adding to my ACC bill.!
If you haven't figured it out yet, my speeding involves 2 tickets. 1 for 112kph and 1 for 108kph. I got these in an area were i was in a busy traffic area. When i speed any faster than that it is done in the back blocks away from traffic and on the track, safely.
But hey,,,,you read into all that what ya want...cause i know your going to. Otherwise you may be seen as being sencible..

**Fatt Max** · 24th January 2011, 12:23

Originally Posted by Quasievil

People Cause accidents, if we get rid of the people we will eliminate 100% of road crashes, this is the only way forward !

Yep, same as 100% of divorces start with marriage.....

**MSTRS:Me** · 24th January 2011, 12:33

Originally Posted by Grubber

... If you are one that over steps the boundaries of safe riding then suck it up i say. your the one adding to my ACC bill.!
....

Define 'safe riding'. I bet you can't, because it doesn't really exist. Except for, perhaps, sitting on your bike while it's parked up in your gargre. No - all there is, is riding in such a way as to create the best chance of survival.
What has added to your (our) ACC bill is the injuries. No-one needs to ride like a cock to be involved in an injury-accident.
Admittedly, excessive speed has probably been the cause of some crashes. In those cases, the rider was probably killed - which is cheaper for ACC anyway.