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[marie_speeds]

I've been practicing this method of safe riding for 3 months now and I haven't had any problems.

We are still talking about motorcycles?

[Roadsafe Nelson]

Easy to blame other things and harder to look at oneself.

With the attitude of some on there towards the police and the law it is no wonder the police are looking out for us..

It is high time that we start to look at OURSELVES and truly analyse what we can do to keep ourselves safe. It is never too late to learn or change.

It is time to stop blaming everyone else and start taking some responsibility for our behaviour and actions.

lets look within rather than playimng the blame game.

Very well said Dougie!! It is never too late to learn or change!!

[Ocean1]

We are still talking about motorcycles?

And ATGATT.

[Katman]

Define 'safe riding'. I bet you can't, because it doesn't really exist.

While 'safe riding' may be a little hard to accurately define there's plenty of examples of unsafe riding that could easily be addressed.

Wheelstands alongside WRBs = unsafe.

300 kph on public roads = unsafe.

Racing around blind corners at speeds that make it impossible to stop if necessary = unsafe.

Lanesplitting at warp speed = unsafe.

Riding while daydreaming about the root you're hoping to get that night = unsafe.

The reality is that there are far too many of us riding like they're an accident waiting to happen.

I don't know about you John, but I feel 'safe' when I'm riding.

[Ocean1]

I don't know about you John, but I feel 'safe' when I'm riding.

It's a long way down from way up there, dude.

Watch your step eh?

[Swoop]

I wish people would think before regurgitating the police line on speed. Speed does not cause accidents. Not on it's own.

We all know that Some of us know that, but the propaganda machine keeps spitting out the usual rhetoric.

[Grubber]

I'm not picking on you personally, but I wish people would think before regurgitating the police line on speed. Speed does not cause accidents. Not on it's own.

I agree whole heartedly. Otherwise you and i probably wouldn't be here today having this discussion. What i do believe is being sensible about how fast and where, is the trick and not blaming it on everyone else, including police, when it goes all pear shaped.
Everything in moderation perhaps.
I'm no saint but i am way better than others at keeping things under control. Think this is where i come from most of the time.
Even on my fast days i have been passed like i was standing still going into a blind corner. Those are the fellas that piss me off no end. There is often times when i know that some of these guys would have no chance if there was oncoming at that corner. I would also become one of their statistics.

[Katman]

It's a long way down from way up there, dude.

Watch your step eh?

Don't worry, I'm not afraid of heights.

[Mad-V2]

I Speed every time I get on my bikes excessively!!! I have done for the last 13 years. I also take any responsibility for my actions (fines free). I have been ticketed by a cop (who thought he was above the law) for speeding when I wasn't, He paid the court costs and I walked out laughing
I have paid all my fines and have never had an accident on my bike or an ACC claim ever (Knock wood), as I know my limits and never go over them.
What I'd like to know is why do cyclists get a free ride? Huge cycleway networks, ACC cover, No rego fees or W.O.F and yet if I was driving a car and hit one on a roadway that us road users pay for, It would probably be my fault.
All I can say is fuck the govt! Fuck the law!! And Cyclists can fuck themselves!!!
Just because you do gooders abide by the law, doesn't mean you wont get killed or ticketed. You can get killed or ticketed just by crossing the road on foot. I'm not saying we should all get on our bikes and ride at full speed, all I'm saying is ride responsibly (below your limit), be vigilant of other road users, and don't show off unless your on a track where an ambulance is close by.

End rant

[MSTRS:Me]

I don't know about you John, but I feel 'safe' when I'm riding.

The feeling is mutual.

However - feeling safe is subjective. One person's 'safe' is another's 'what a cock'. Eh?

Actually - belay that. I don't feel safe. I feel in control. Of me.

[Grubber]

Define 'safe riding'. I bet you can't, because it doesn't really exist. Except for, perhaps, sitting on your bike while it's parked up in your gargre. No - all there is, is riding in such a way as to create the best chance of survival.
What has added to your (our) ACC bill is the injuries. No-one needs to ride like a cock to be involved in an injury-accident.
Admittedly, excessive speed has probably been the cause of some crashes. In those cases, the rider was probably killed - which is cheaper for ACC anyway.

I think we could all get rather pedantic about the word 'safe' but inn reality i think we all know what is trying to be said.
"Riding in such a way as to create the best chance of survival" Thats pretty much got it sorted.
Of coarse there will be the pc brigade that says "no should be able to tell me how to ride, it's my bike, my life, and i'll do whatever i want"
wait for it now....won't be too long....before the storm.

[Fatt Max]

While 'safe riding' may be a little hard to accurately define there's plenty of examples of unsafe riding that could easily be addressed.

Riding while daydreaming about the root you're hoping to get that night = unsafe.

.

Well I'll be alright then cos there is no chance of that for a fat bastard like me, the thinking or the doing in fact

[MSTRS:Me]

... "no should be able to tell me how to ride, it's my bike, my life, and i'll do whatever i want"

Fuck yeah. Rules are for other people.

And no, I don't believe that.

[Hitcher]

There's value to be had from rider training. I hope that that doesn't come in the form of lame advertising campaigns.

If it does come as advanced skills courses, I hope that more riders take time to participate in them, even if there's a financial cost involved. I'm not talking about track days. It's been a few years since my last course and it's about time I did another. I've had many close shaves whilst riding, many of which I've been able to cope with, and I'd like to think that Andrew Templeton trained me well for those. As for the others? Goodness knows, but I'm sure that more training wouldn't go amiss.

[White trash]

There's value to be had from rider training. I hope that that doesn't come in the form of lame advertising campaigns.

If it does come as advanced skills courses, I hope that more riders take time to participate in them, even if there's a financial cost involved. I'm not talking about track days. It's been a few years since my last course and it's about time I did another. I've had many close shaves whilst riding, many of which I've been able to cope with, and I'd like to think that Andrew Templeton trained me well for those. As for the others? Goodness knows, but I'm sure that more training wouldn't go amiss.

Happy to train ya how to wheelie that GSX Brett. A mere eighty bucks an hour.

You know where I am.