Who has been involved in an accident?

**Katman** · 26th January 2011, 20:40

Originally Posted by bogan

We could more than halve our 'stats' by using the real ones. Why do they still spout the 18x more likely to be injured or killed than cagers, when the actual is down around 4x? Cos our 'risk' is just an excuse, the bigger they can make the 'risk' out to be, the more palatable the increases should be.

I couldn't give a fuck about the 18x or 4x figures.

Let's set about reducing the number of accidents for which we have no-one to blame other than ourselves.

**bogan** · 26th January 2011, 20:45

Originally Posted by Katman

I couldn't give a fuck about the 18x or 4x figures.

Let's set about reducing the number of accidents for which we have no-one to blame other than ourselves.

I agree, lets do that, but lets not delude ourselves that the real figures are adequate reasons for the levy hikes, these hikes can still, and will, be fought while we also try and reduce our accidents.

**SMOKEU** · 26th January 2011, 20:52

Originally Posted by Katman

I couldn't give a fuck about the 18x or 4x figures.

Let's set about reducing the number of accidents for which we have no-one to blame other than ourselves.

It doesn't matter how expensive the tyres on a bike are, or if it has fancy ABS. The fact remains that the basic laws of physics dictate that a bike is less stable than a car. No matter how good the bike is, they are still more dangerous than a cage. Nothing will ever change that.

**blackdog** · 26th January 2011, 20:58

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It doesn't matter how expensive the tyres on a bike are, or if it has fancy ABS. The fact remains that the basic laws of physics dictate that a bike is less stable than a car. No matter how good the bike is, they are still more dangerous than a cage. Nothing will ever change that.

You are a fucking idiot.

Any vehicle, bike or car is only as dangerous as it's operator.

**racefactory** · 26th January 2011, 21:14

The Katman is definitely a wise old cat, but is it me or has he become a little more aggressive recently? I'm seeing a lot of profanity in his postings.

I remember the good old days when I could sit with him and have a nice calm game of chess. No longer I am afraid.

**Hitcher** · 26th January 2011, 21:27

Originally Posted by theblackstig

Any vehicle, bike or car is only as dangerous as it's operator.

True, unless comparisons are being made between vehicles and operators. For example a motorcycle with flat blad tyres and no brakes is more dangerous than one with a new WOF. A blind person with Parkinson's disease riding a motorcycle is a more dangerous operator than is Valentino Rossi.

**blackdog** · 26th January 2011, 21:45

Originally Posted by Hitcher

True, unless comparisons are being made between vehicles and operators. For example a motorcycle with flat bald tyres and no brakes is more dangerous than one with a new WOF. A blind person with Parkinson's disease riding a motorcycle is a more dangerous operator than is Valentino Rossi.

Flat bald tyres? I maintain that if ridden in that condition it is still the operator at fault.

**SMOKEU** · 26th January 2011, 21:46

Originally Posted by theblackstig

You are a fucking idiot.

Any vehicle, bike or car is only as dangerous as it's operator.

You're the idiot if you can't understand the fact that no matter how carefully you ride, most bikers bin it sooner or later.

**Katman** · 26th January 2011, 21:47

Originally Posted by theblackstig

Flat bald tyres? I maintain that if ridden in that condition it is still the operator at fault.

I'd suggest the blind person with Parkinsons should find another form of transport too.

**blackdog** · 26th January 2011, 21:53

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

You're the idiot if you can't understand the fact that no matter how carefully you ride, most bikers bin it sooner or later.

back to your tricycle buddy

come join the conversation again when you are a grown up

(unless of course you have quotable stats that prove MOST bikers bin it)

egg

**Hitcher** · 26th January 2011, 21:57

Originally Posted by theblackstig

Flat bald tyres? I maintain that if ridden in that condition it is still the operator at fault.

Nice attempt at evasion. I was painting an extreme example to show that comparisons between vehicles are legitimate. What's more dangerous, juggling a tennis ball or a cactus?

**SMOKEU** · 26th January 2011, 21:58

Originally Posted by theblackstig

back to your tricycle buddy

come join the conversation again when you are a grown up

You're the one that seems to love to initiate online conflicts like a primary school kid. You're just showing everyone how childish you really are, probably in a rather pathetic attempt to make up for something you don't have. If you want to have an arguement like a 10 year old, then take it to the pointless drivel forum.

**ducatilover** · 26th January 2011, 22:03

I've had two, both my fault. One was going far too fast and being an uneducated twat with big nuts, the other was not seeing an oil/diesel slick in the wet on the 'takas, bad eye sight or not, I should have been more aware.

**blackdog** · 26th January 2011, 22:06

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Nice attempt at evasion. I was painting an extreme example to show that comparisons between vehicles are legitimate. What's more dangerous, juggling a tennis ball or a cactus?

Ok we may be flying off on a tangent here.

It is still up to the juggler, whether a melon or a chainsaw.

The ultimate responsibility must be with the juggler.

**blackdog** · 26th January 2011, 22:07

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

You're the one that seems to love to initiate online conflicts like a primary school kid. You're just showing everyone how childish you really are, probably in a rather pathetic attempt to make up for something you don't have. If you want to have an arguement like a 10 year old, then take it to the pointless drivel forum.

I'm still waiting for your proof.