MSL Council to be lead by Gareth Morgan

[idleidolidyll]

Hey look! Divisions!
M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.

divisions?

sure, our 'representatives' dropped the ball last time and later claimed they had 'won' a discount

bullshit, they were suckered and played like patsies

i don't see them doing much better this time around but as per previous comments; i hope i'm proven wrong

regardless of morgan image in your eyes; he's a national supporter and his hope will be to have national in power again next term

think about that when you examine how its all going

[Katman]

The one thing I found hard to swallow was he has a very 'Katman like' attitude to our road behaviour

I should be charging him royalties.

[Fatt Max]

Surely if we unite as a community and work on this issue from all the available angles, we can take this (or any) government to task.

The MSL Council have undertaken to do whatever is best for the biking community. Ragradless of any personal issues people have with others, it's a ballsy statement. I feel it is in the best interest of the community to support their lobbying within the council to get the best deal for us.

Yes, the $2M or whatever fund that is available will not solve it. WE, as the biker community, must take our own personal action to ensure the issue is solved, that issue being the crash statistics and reduction thereof.

At the same time, the community needs to continue to protest, make noise, lobby and the like. The parking issue in Wellington is an example. Although not related to levies, it has shown that the community can unite and will stand up if we need to. This protest work needs to continue as does all the other work.

The main thing is that we must UNITE AS A COMMUNITY. None of us want the incresed levies. We want fair and equitable treatment as bikers. You can even take the militant view that the MSL is an opportunity to expose stealth tactics, deceit and all manner of lies within a government that is different to no others. Use the MSL as a lever to lobby all political parties in this, an election year, to see who would give us the best deal.

Riders are voters remember.....I have heard that somewhere before......

But do not let this divide us, all bets are off if that happens

But hey, what the fuck do I know......

[idleidolidyll]

what morgan says in smith or keys offices is largely irrelevant

if these things are not said to the public of NZ and the full facts of our plight examined in broad daylight, they may as well not be said

i truly don't want to say i told you so but frankly that's what i'm expecting

[MSTRS:Me]

...
you'll need to expose them, embarrass them and make people hate them enough to vote for anyone but National but if you start too early it will all be a waste of time
...

True. But don't forget, the pricks changed the 'rules' so that anyone soapboxing on election issues is supposed to be a registered vote-seeking campaigner, with a paid-up political party behind them. At least as I remember it...

[idleidolidyll]

Surely if we unite as a community and work on this issue from all the available angles, we can take this (or any) government to task.

The MSL Council have undertaken to do whatever is best for the biking community. Ragradless of any personal issues people have with others, it's a ballsy statement. I feel it is in the best interest of the community to support their lobbying within the council to get the best deal for us.

Yes, the $2M or whatever fund that is available will not solve it. WE, as the biker community, must take our own personal action to ensure the issue is solved, that issue being the crash statistics and reduction thereof.

At the same time, the community needs to continue to protest, make noise, lobby and the like. The parking issue in Wellington is an example. Although not related to levies, it has shown that the community can unite and will stand up if we need to. This protest work needs to continue as does all the other work.

The main thing is that we must UNITE AS A COMMUNITY. None of us want the incresed levies. We want fair and equitable treatment as bikers. You can even take the militant view that the MSL is an opportunity to expose stealth tactics, deceit and all manner of lies within a government that is different to no others. Use the MSL as a lever to lobby all political parties in this, an election year, to see who would give us the best deal.

Riders are voters remember.....I have heard that somewhere before......

But do not let this divide us, all bets are off if that happens

But hey, what the fuck do I know......

the danger is that if you buy the farm on this one and expect it to work; you'll have pissed away your chances of taking other actions that might have a chance

i see a set up and i'm waiting for the punchline

[James Deuce]

divisions?

sure, our 'representatives' dropped the ball last time and later claimed they had 'won' a discount

bullshit, they were suckered and played like patsies

i don't see them doing much better this time around but as per previous comments; i hope i'm proven wrong

regardless of morgan image in your eyes; he's a national supporter and his hope will be to have national in power again next term

think about that when you examine how its all going

Geez, don't take it personally. I was talking about everyone.

You can lead a motorcyclist to protest but he'll probably just wander off and buy accessories. Most likely over-priced branded ones.

[idleidolidyll]

True. But don't forget, the pricks changed the 'rules' so that anyone soapboxing on election issues is supposed to be a registered vote-seeking campaigner, with a paid-up political party behind them. At least as I remember it...

as i said; don't play their game

it's only controlled under that legislation if you promote a particular alternative political patry

if we let them exclude the public of NZ because we have to be registered to a particular party then they have already fucked our democracy and thats something else we should all be protesting about

regardless of the rules they set up to benefit themselves; they cannot stop people power if it is used well

it bought down the Berlin wall and they had machine guns and electric fences in their way

[idleidolidyll]

Geez, don't take it personally. I was talking about everyone.

You can lead a motorcyclist to protest but he'll probably just wander off and buy accessories. Most likely over-priced branded ones.

'you' is a general term for all the bike riding 'you's out there

dont take it personally

[Fatt Max]

the danger is that if you buy the farm on this one and expect it to work; you'll have pissed away your chances of taking other actions that might have a chance

i see a set up and i'm waiting for the punchline

I take your point,

But if we work to reduce the levies from all angles, ie Council representation, lobbying, protest action, personal action.....every biker in the country can adopt one of those stances and that way make it a huge community against the same thing.

We are all voters as well

[MSTRS:Me]

Remember, too, that Nick the Prick holds all the cards where the MSL is concerned. The members on the committee are there cos he appointed them. Forget autonomy...if The Prick doesn't like what they do, he will simply remove them.

[Fatt Max]

Remember, too, that Nick the Prick holds all the cards where the MSL is concerned. The members on the committee are there cos he appointed them. Forget autonomy...if The Prick doesn't like what they do, he will simply remove them.

...and there is a great reason to engage in some farking loud, noisy and disruptive protest. As long as the council are up front about it (and I am sure they will be) Smiffy would bring a whole heap of shite down on himself if he did that.

No biker, anywhere, gets shafted like that without consequences

[idleidolidyll]

Remember, too, that Nick the Prick holds all the cards where the MSL is concerned. The members on the committee are there cos he appointed them. Forget autonomy...if The Prick doesn't like what they do, he will simply remove them.

Well said that man; give him the clap

EXACTLY: this is a set up designed by Smith, expect to be bent over and reamed with a steel bottle brush

[James Deuce]

'you' is a general term for all the bike riding 'you's out there

dont take it personally

One struggles to comprehend, but then one has been hit in the head rather a lot.

Would you like fries with that?

[Maha]

Remember, too, that Nick the Prick holds all the cards where the MSL is concerned. The members on the committee are there cos he appointed them. Forget autonomy...if The Prick doesn't like what they do, he will simply remove them.

Agreed John....
Gareth Morgan is an Economist first and foremost, that and the fact that he also rides a Motorbike made him the obvious choice to head a committee that will have close to three million dollars to spend on saving bikers lives. It was made known to us before the Breakfast interview took place that Mr Morgan doesn't necessarily agree with the MSL. But he has been given a job to do. To answers questions as to the viability of such a levy is not part of that job. Possibly that is why he said ''if you have a problem with the MSL, take it up with the government''?