MSL Council to be lead by Gareth Morgan

[Usarka]

I'd suggest if you take a poll of car drivers asking if they think it is legal it would be a resounding fail......

Just thinking of ways to improve relations between different road users.

That's probably more to do with the number of times they've had their wing mirrors hit.

Probably because we're forced to stay within the lane with our right indicator going. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to filter legally taking advanatage of the space that's available.....

[Katman]

Probably because we're forced to stay within the lane with our right indicator going. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to filter legally taking advanatage of the space that's available.....

I don't believe any motorcyclists seriously adhere to the 'staying within the lane' rule anyway - except maybe when it's a cop they're splitting past.

[James Deuce]

I'd suggest if you take a poll of car drivers asking if they think it is legal it would be a resounding fail......

Just thinking of ways to improve relations between different road users.

Probably because we're forced to stay within the lane with our right indicator going. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to filter legally taking advanatage of the space that's available.....

I know. I'm not arguing with the intent. But given that there are manifold other laws that all drivers/riders are seemingly unaware of I don't have great hops. Even basic safety ones like not crossing the centreline into oncoming traffic get ignored a lot.

[idleidolidyll]

It's not illegal right now. People just do it wrong.

Yep,
From what I've been told and read, lane splitting is OK within the following parameters;

You must not lane split to the left of a vehicle in the same lane, only in the right.
If traffic has stopped or is almost stopped, you can use any line.

The law is one thing; smart riding is another.
Lane splitting on the motorway at speeds double that of the traffic is just plain stupid. Cars won't see you or don't care and will pull out to change lanes regadless of what rights you think you have. You'll get away with it maybe 100 times or more but the first time someone changes lanes in your path; you are dead or maimed.

Your family may have recourse in law but you'll be dead; is it worth the extra 2 minutes?

[MSTRS:Me]

Yep,
From what I've been told and read, lane splitting is OK within the following parameters;

You must not lane split to the left of a vehicle in the same lane, only in the right.
If traffic has stopped or is almost stopped, you can use any line.

The law is one thing; smart riding is another.
Lane splitting on the motorway at speeds double that of the traffic is just plain stupid. Cars won't see you or don't care and will pull out to change lanes regadless of what rights you think you have. You'll get away with it maybe 100 times or more but the first time someone changes lanes in your path; you are dead or maimed.

Your family may have recourse in law but you'll be dead; is it worth the extra 2 minutes?

No. Stopped only. That is considered as 'being parked'. Right on the money otherwise

[avgas]

Probably because we're forced to stay within the lane with our right indicator going. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to filter legally taking advanatage of the space that's available.....

I used to ride home at 200kph @ 2am.
Was nice to do.

Stupid laws preventing us doing nice things.

[bogan]

Exactly, As long as we continue to being sucked in to the "It's all about bikers" BS, we are playing into Tricky Nicky's hands and continue to help him blind-side NZ to the real issue and that it's the Privatization of ACC.

Thing is it's pretty hard to reach everyone else when the media don't give a rats arse about it. We sent a wee bit out to around 20 media's suggest a story, had one out of office auto reply so far. Who knows though, maybe they are just taking some time and doing a quality job of investigative reporting on it...

[Usarka]

I was probably meaning filtering rather than lane splitting, and the point wasn't to make more laws but of educating drivers and making it an accepted practice like overseas.

Obviously a stoopid idea. Next......

[idleidolidyll]

Prediction:

here's what's gonna happen

National will win the next election because most people are paying attention to what they say and not what they are doing and regardless of fairness and party politics; the media is already framing this as Key vs Goff rather than National versus Labour, the Greens, NZ First and all the other parties.
Essentially most Kiwis are suckered by corporate media backing their dog.

John Key has already signalled that he views his re-election as a mandate to do whatever the fuck he wants.
ACC will be privatised, assets will be sold, Kiwi workers will continue to compete against foreigners for jobs and the gap between Aussie wages and Kiwi wages will continue to grow. We will have sold our assets AGAIN for short term gain and in the long run, just like the last times we did it, we will have no long term gain from the sale. In fact we will have to buy back the worst performing parts later on.
National will sell Auckland assets (after all, that's what the Supercity was all about). Aucklanders will face higher costs not lower costs as touted and we will have less to show for it.
Motorcyclists will get fuck all; by the time Gareth Morgan reports back, National will have won or lost the election and as with the three times we have had recommedations suggesting cannabis law reform is smarter than continuing to criminalise people and provide income to gangs, our issues will go back to the drawing board again (in other words we will be fogotten in the lolly scramble after elections).

Welcome to corporate NZ where you are only worth whatever they can pay a third world worker to do and where the 'good of the country' is not the good of the people but the good of huge corporates, mainly foreign.
Free trade is bullshit and its most effective result so far has been to strip first world nations of jobs and the ability to control their own economies. Chicago School of Economics philosophies have failed the USA so smart people should wonder why the hell Key thinks they will work here.
Likewise, the advice of the IMF, World Bank etc is not designed to aid the countries they advise; that advice is designed to strip assets and economies for the benefit of the rich and powerful transnational corporations who populate the IMF and World Bank offices.

I don't expect some of you to accept this, you're still in denial. Anyone who has been self researching rather than relying on the mainstream corporate media (NZ Herald, TV news etc) for their information already knows what I'm saying.

Upshot: National is an authoritarian government and they treat us like children. They will pass whatever legislation they want to suit their backers and to hell with the rest of us despite the bullshit words that come out of their mouths.

You cannot win for bikers if you continue to support National.

[Brian d marge]

Prediction:

here's what's gonna happen

National will win the next election because most people are paying attention to what they say and not what they are doing and regardless of fairness and party politics; the media is already framing this as Key vs Goff rather than National versus Labour, the Greens, NZ First and all the other parties.
Essentially most Kiwis are suckered by corporate media backing their dog.

John Key has already signalled that he views his re-election as a mandate to do whatever the fuck he wants.
ACC will be privatised, assets will be sold, Kiwi workers will continue to compete against foreigners for jobs and the gap between Aussie wages and Kiwi wages will continue to grow. We will have sold our assets AGAIN for short term gain and in the long run, just like the last times we did it, we will have no long term gain from the sale. In fact we will have to buy back the worst performing parts later on.
National will sell Auckland assets (after all, that's what the Supercity was all about). Aucklanders will face higher costs not lower costs as touted and we will have less to show for it.
Motorcyclists will get fuck all; by the time Gareth Morgan reports back, National will have won or lost the election and as with the three times we have had recommedations suggesting cannabis law reform is smarter than continuing to criminalise people and provide income to gangs, our issues will go back to the drawing board again (in other words we will be fogotten in the lolly scramble after elections).

Welcome to corporate NZ where you are only worth whatever they can pay a third world worker to do and where the 'good of the country' is not the good of the people but the good of huge corporates, mainly foreign.
Free trade is bullshit and its most effective result so far has been to strip first world nations of jobs and the ability to control their own economies. Chicago School of Economics philosophies have failed the USA so smart people should wonder why the hell Key thinks they will work here.
Likewise, the advice of the IMF, World Bank etc is not designed to aid the countries they advise; that advice is designed to strip assets and economies for the benefit of the rich and powerful transnational corporations who populate the IMF and World Bank offices.

I don't expect some of you to accept this, you're still in denial. Anyone who has been self researching rather than relying on the mainstream corporate media (NZ Herald, TV news etc) for their information already knows what I'm saying.

Upshot: National is an authoritarian government and they treat us like children. They will pass whatever legislation they want to suit their backers and to hell with the rest of us despite the bullshit words that come out of their mouths.

You cannot win for bikers if you continue to support National.

Sorry little off topic , but in reply the question has to be , how do we live comfortable and at peace in the mess created by the people mentioned above
I bought myself a spinning wheel

Stephen

[yachtie10]

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Upshot: National is an authoritarian government and they treat us like children. They will pass whatever legislation they want to suit their backers and to hell with the rest of us despite the bullshit words that come out of their mouths.

Pot kettle etc

[p.dath]

I have a serious request for the council......

Make filtering / lane splitting legal. There are many countries where this is currently the case (because we know governments like to look at how other places do it) especially UK / Europe.

Benefits:

• Help reduce congestion.
• Improve tolerance/attitude towards bikers by legally validating their actions.

Perhaps you would like to clarify what specifically you want made "legal". A good start would be to define what you mean by "lane splitting".

[bogan]

Perhaps you would like to clarify what specifically you want made "legal". A good start would be to define what you mean by "lane splitting".

Allow bikes to pass by moving between two lanes of forward traffic (turning lanes don't count) when the traffic is going slower than ... and the motorcyclists speed is less than ... above the other traffic.

[avgas]

Perhaps you would like to clarify what specifically you want made "legal". A good start would be to define what you mean by "lane splitting".

Flipping the bird while going past.

[Usarka]

Don't forget punching wing mirrors!