Who is sick of all the Waitangi bullshit?

[Banditbandit]

Sorry, wrong. That is the Old Testament. And is the story of the Hebrews and their god. By the time of the NT, ol' Yahweh had mellowed somewhat...

Yeah maybe .. but the God Botherers are ust as good as quoting the old testment as the new ... as it suits them

[admenk]

I'm sorry, but the white people's religion sets up such a presidence in passages like this

"For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations ..." Exodus 20:5,6:

Fail to see the connnection myself - plenty of people have used the bible (and loads of other things for that matter) as an excuse for their actions, but at the end of the day, the responsiblity was theirs alone.
Besides, I'm certainly no expert, but didn't some of the early missionaries stick up for Maori rights?

[admenk]

Yeah maybe .. but the God Botherers are ust as good as quoting the old testment as the new ... as it suits them

Oh dear, generalisations again. It's a good job not everyone judges all Maori the same eh?

[Ocean1]

Exactly, the original chiefs knew that the whites would bring with them some great technological improvements. And they seemed to like marrying the women too. They were really passionate about improvements to Aotearoa and what would be good for their people.

Their biggest concern was the French, who had been making noises about formalising their plans for colonisation in the north. The chiefs weren’t stupid, they’d been dealing with the French missionaries for some time, if the French government assumed control there’s be no concessions at all.

Être intéressant de savoir comment étroite qui vint à une réalité.

[MisterD]

Truly what should happen is NZ to become a republic. Would that not void the treaty as the crown would no longer be an overseer of the country? And then we could finally write a new piece of legislation, start over. Clean Slate

Nope. For all practical purposes "The Crown" means the elected government of the country, that won't change if (when) we become a republic.

[BoristheBiter]

Waitangi Day remembers the day the Founding Document of our nation was signed . in 1835 the Declaration of Independence established, in international law, a new country called New Zealand - called that as a national name by the Maori signers ... five years later the Treaty of Waitangi established the modern nation as a partnership between Pakeha and Maori - it is NOT a Maori-pride day ...



Yes, exactly ... thank you for that response

I think you that mixed up with the USA.
The treaty is not a founding document, nor was there a declaration of independence as we still the the queen as head of state.

As for this partnership, when do the Maoris start working?
Very one sided if you ask me.

The treaty should be scrapped as both sides have reneged at some point but Maori will never let it go because they still think they are owed something.

And anyway we had a flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8

[Banditbandit]

I think you that mixed up with the USA.
The treaty is not a founding document, nor was there a declaration of independence as we still the the queen as head of state.

As for this partnership, when do the Maoris start working?
Very one sided if you ask me.

The treaty should be scrapped as both sides have reneged at some point but Maori will never let it go because they still think they are owed something.

And anyway we had a flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8

Declaration of Independence signed at Waitangi in 1835

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics...f-independence

Signed by a group calling themselves The United Tribes of New Zealand ... it is THIS Maori document which establishes the british monarchy as our head of state ...

Five years later the Treaty of Waitangi was signed by the British Crown representastives and the United Tribes of New Zealand - a direct reference to the Declaration of Independence.

At least have a working knowledge of our history before you open your mouth ...

[ducatilover]

I think you that mixed up with the USA.
The treaty is not a founding document, nor was there a declaration of independence as we still the the queen as head of state.

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics...f-independence

1835, the Maori signed a declaration of independence, to become an independent nation to help with trading overseas, as they had vested plenty of interest in making money and peers in other countries.

Well, that's only what my tutor for my last Waitangi paper told me

[ducatilover]

Shit, banditbandit has beaten me to it.

[avgas]

Coulda been worse y'all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Nanjing

[Banditbandit]

Shit, banditbandit has beaten me to it.

Cher bro .. told ya we were here first ... He mihi ki a koe ...

[MSTRS:Me]

.. told ya we were here first ...

I understand that is a subject of debate...

[SMOKEU]

Obviously those of Jewish, Asian, or African descent won't be welcome at your white power rally.

There is a huge difference between white supremacy/white power and white pride.

[Latte]

There is a huge difference between white supremacy/white power and white pride.

One's a thinly veiled attempt to lead people to the other?

[SMOKEU]

One's a thinly veiled attempt to lead people to the other?

White pride means that someone is proud of being white and not ashamed of their heritage, however, they are also tolerant of people from other racial backgrounds.

White supremacists are the kind of people who hate everyone who isn't white.

Is that clear enough?