Do you always look at such a small picture Drew?Originally Posted by Drew
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Do you always look at such a small picture Drew?
Along for the ride...
Damn!Dont be sorry........such a lovely place.........Sorry.
...many a room in the Hotel California.....
sorry..
The one thing man learns from history is that man does not learn from history
Calvin and Hobbes: The surest sign of intelligent life out there is that it has not tried to contact us.
Its easier to apologise than ask for permission.
Wise words:
The instructions are simple...
Way too much to read the lot. But I do have a thought or two on the subject - apologies if others have said same...
1. Nobody, cops especially, has any right to state Hi-vis will save a rider, or lead to a different outcome.
2. Hi-vis does not make a rider more visible.
3. Riders who wear Hi-vis MAY be more safety conscious in the first instance - it is their roadcraft that keeps them safe(r) not the Hi-vis.
4. Blaming a rider for getting caught out by the poor roadcraft of other motorists insults all motorcyclists...
5. ...and excuses said motorists from EVER changing their 'behaviour'.
6. And lastly, until TPTB get serious about driving skills, we motorcyclists will bear the brunt of so-called initiatives they say will 'save' us.
From the other thread, and quoted here for clarity re above.
Last edited by MSTRS; 9th February 2011 at 07:44.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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I don't wave to people who wear hi vis.
He who makes a beast out of himself
Gets rid of the pain of being a man
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The way I see it we have three options for improving our safety.
a) We can bitch and moan about the incompetence of all the other road users and we can stamp our feet demanding they up their game (like we've been doing since time in-memorium) and achieve the same results - nothing, or....
b)....we can give up motorcycling, or.....
c)....we can start taking a good hard look at how we can ride with an awareness that takes into account the incompetence of those other road users.
If we leave it up to the government to make things safer for us we ain't going to like their methods.
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or that other option,
option k) We can bitch and moan about the incompetence of all the bikers and we can stamp our feet demanding they up their game (like we've been doing since time in-memorium) and achieve the same results - nothing, or....
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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Do you really think we've collectively tried option k?
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oh so now you're bitching about our lack of bitching? Small scale testing shows option k is pretty much ineffective, so why would we scale up?
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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Perhaps we should try option c instead then.
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But Katman, you are soo good at option A. Why would you want to change?
White Trash Pearls of Wisdom #2654 - Refering to yourself in the 3rd person: The only thing gayer, would be being caught handcuffed around a public toilet bowl, an apple stuffed in your mouth and George Michael administering an epic caneing to your exposed cheeks while Boy George documents the event on a handicam.
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most certainly, a number of us already do, the question becomes how to reach the others? option k isn't working, so maybe try something less offensive, and more constructive?
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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Now there's a point!
MSL?? imagine spending our whole 3 million educating cagers on the skills cagers should already have or be paying to up-skill themselves! Thanks for the money bikers!
OH pure KB gold! Bling sent!
On a Motorcycle you're penetrating distance, right along with the machine!! In a car you're just a spectator, the windshields like a TV!!
'Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out! Shouting, ' Holy sh!t... What a Ride!! '
Just faidin away!
Note: If you don't have your headlight on today "notice how many people tell you about it"! (they all see you OK then!)
Having headlights on on motorcycles "was" our point of difference!
What value has that today?
The difference IMHO is because the "official" attitude is that we are just nuisance value to other road users, therefore psychologically "irrelevant"! (they don't see us because "officially" we have no relevance)
Are Hi-vis-vests, the new point of difference? I think not!
Solution: Change the "official" and public attitude toward motorcycles!
How do we do that? Well we can start with the one that "we" control!
"Our behaviour" and our own "attitude" towards other road users!
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you!
Amongst all the other rhetoric, I think "that" is Katmans message and frankly, I have to agree with him on that!
GOOD ROADS, NUTHIN 2 RIDE
Today on the way to work 4 cars had their mirrors hit by a bike filtering(?) at 30 +-kph faster than the traffic going 70, in a 70kph zone!. They were just the ones I could see, at least two things happened with that event.Note: If you don't have your headlight on today "notice how many people tell you about it"! (they all see you OK then!)
Having headlights on on motorcycles "was" our point of difference!
What value has that today?
The difference IMHO is because the "official" attitude is that we are just nuisance value to other road users, therefore psychologically "irrelevant"! (they don't see us because "officially" we have no relevance)
Are Hi-vis-vests, the new point of difference? I think not!
Solution: Change the "official" and public attitude toward motorcycles!
How do we do that? Well we can start with the one that "we" control!
"Our behaviour" and our own "attitude" towards other road users!
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you!
Amongst all the other rhetoric, I think "that" is Katmans message and frankly, I have to agree with him on that!
1- reinforced everything bad with motorcyclists
2- fucked it up for those who follow PROPERLY later.
Perhaps the new road code for bikers should have a list of recent crashes, the result and how it happened or even a booklet like the one pilots get every so often from the CAA(?)
Easy name for it- Don't do what Donny Don't does.
"Your talent determines what you can do. Your motivation determines how much you are willing to do. Your attitude determines how well you do it."
-Lou Holtz
The instructions are simple...
Too many see KMs message as "You are a cock!"
What he says is actually slightly different. He means...
Be proactive. You are responsible for your own safety.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
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