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**Katman** · 9th February 2011, 16:44

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Really? Strange, you sound exactly the same as those who want motorcycles gone, or severely regulated.

That's exactly what I've been fighting to avoid from the start.

If you haven't figured that out you're pretty fucking stupid.

**phill-k** · 9th February 2011, 16:48

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Really? Strange, you sound exactly the same as those who want motorcycles gone, or severely regulated.

No what KM wants is for motorcyclists to start taking responsibility for their own stupidity and that's not a bad thing.

Unfortunately their are always those that either are stupid enough that they can't take the message on board, or who think they are that shit-hot that it doesn't apply to them. /that bunch really fuck me off.

**MSTRS:Me** · 9th February 2011, 16:51

Originally Posted by Katman

That's exactly what I've been fighting to avoid from the start.

If you haven't figured that out you're pretty fucking stupid.

It's true.
KM has always - that's ALWAYS - said behave on the roads (there's more, but that's the gist), otherwise we are likely to see bikes regulated off the roads.
So far, he's not wrong. Our regos went up for a start...

**Crasherfromwayback** · 9th February 2011, 17:12

Originally Posted by MSTRS

. Our regos went up for a start...

They were always going to I'll bet you my left nut. We're THE easiest bunch to sting, without the govt losing enough votes to get kicked out. Now I know it doesn't help if we keep getting injured...but it's not like we're ever gonna stop people racing moto-x etc is it? And injuries happen. They're simply stinging us because they can, AND stay in power. As I've always said...if they had any balls, they'd make the price of fuel/diesel $1.00 a litre more, and ACC would be in the black. Then everyone...farmers fucking themselves on quads, trail riders, jet skiers, boaties, mums that drop the kids off to school in the suv and do u turns that kill motorcyclists...etc etc etc ALL prop up the system! It would make more people ride scooters etc, helping road congestion and ease parking issues, it would make scooter riders better drivers when they could afford a car. It would help ME (cause it's all about me), and yes...even Katman.

So despite calling myself crasherfromwayback (when I started road racing again after several years away from it, quite a few friends/competitors said "Ahhhh here he is...a Crasher From Way Back") ,I don't think parting company with a bike is cool. I wish we'd all stop doing it. I'm all for us all getting better at staying on. But my real beef is statements by certain people that all 'u turn' accidents can be avoided, as it's 100% fucking crap. Those that say that, have simply been LUCKY enough to have NEVER been UNLUCKY enough to have been in the wrong place, at that EXACT time when it's UNAVOIDABLE. To say it on a public forum when some unlucky person has just been killed, when they don't know the facts...and the lost riders family could be reading the comments...is fucking poor taste in my book. End of story.

**Spearfish** · 9th February 2011, 17:17

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

They were always going to I'll bet you my left nut. We're THE easiest bunch to sting, without the govt losing enough votes to get kicked out. Now I know it doesn't help if we keep getting injured...but it's not like we're ever gonna stop people racing moto-x etc is it? And injuries happen. They're simply stinging us because they can, AND stay in power. As I've always said...if they had any balls, they'd make the price of fuel/diesel $1.00 a litre more, and ACC would be in the black. Then everyone...farmers fucking themselves on quads, trail riders, jet skiers, boaties, mums that drop the kids off to school in the suv and do u turns that kill motorcyclists...etc etc etc ALL prop up the system! It would make more people ride scooters etc, helping road congestion and ease parking issues, it would make scooter riders better drivers when they could afford a car. It would help ME (cause it's all about me), and yes...even Katman.

So despite calling myself crasherfromwayback (when I started road racing again after several years away from it, quite a few friends/competitors said "Ahhhh here he is...a Crasher From Way Back") ,I don't think parting company with a bike is cool. I wish we'd all stop doing it. I'm all for us all getting better at staying on. But my real beef is statements by certain people that all 'u turn' accidents can be avoided, as it's 100% fucking crap. Those that say that, have simply been LUCKY enough to have NEVER been UNLUCKY enough to have been in the wrong place, at that EXACT time when it's UNAVOIDABLE. To say it on a public forum when some unlucky person has just been killed, when they don't know the facts...and the lost riders family could be reading the comments...is fucking poor taste in my book. End of story.

Phew!
Apart from the other points, now I understand you choice of alias.

**FJRider** · 9th February 2011, 17:20

Originally Posted by Drew

Then go find some place else to grind your axe. This thread is NOT about what caused the fuckin crash, it's about what was said on the news fucking us off!

Actually ... it WASN'T actually SAID. The idea came into YOUR head what you had thought it meant ... then ranted ...

I would suggest you rant on FACTS (ie: what was actually said)... not your thoughts on what they might have meant ...

**MSTRS:Me** · 9th February 2011, 17:25

You are right, Pete. Some of KMs message is 'misguided' and he certainly goes too far at times.
We all know that there are 'accidents' and 'crashes' (yes, I know not all see it that way, but just to separate the two 'types' - avoidable/unavoidable). Ideally, every biker down should be an accident.
We know that things going tits-up on a bike can be fairly easy, but there are a whole lot of incidents that would be totally avoided IF the rider was perhaps paying a little more attention.
The way one rides is the one factor in any situation that is within the rider's control. And that is where KMs message is aimed. Unfortunately he chooses to see every rider down as a crash, that was avoidable. He is probably right some of the time...

**Katman** · 9th February 2011, 17:28

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Unfortunately he chooses to see every rider down as a crash, that was avoidable. He is probably right some of the time...

One slight point of difference John........

I choose to examine every rider down thread as one that was potentially avoidable.

To do any less is taking the easy road.

**Scuba_Steve** · 9th February 2011, 17:29

Originally Posted by MSTRS

You are right, Pete. Some of KMs message is 'misguided' and he certainly goes too far at times.
We all know that there are 'accidents' and 'crashes' (yes, I know not all see it that way, but just to separate the two 'types' - avoidable/unavoidable). Ideally, every biker down should be an accident.
We know that things going tits-up on a bike can be fairly easy, but there are a whole lot of incidents that would be totally avoided IF the rider was perhaps paying a little more attention.
The way one rides is the one factor in any situation that is within the rider's control. And that is where KMs message is aimed. Unfortunately he chooses to see every rider down as a crash, that was avoidable. He is probably right some of the time...

The biggest problem with Katmans message is... well, Katman!

**bogan** · 9th February 2011, 17:34

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Some of KMs message is 'misguided' and he certainly goes too far at times.

It's kinda like if the mailman delivered your xmas cards by walking in, taking his pants off, and dragging his knob across your counter, wedging the card in his but crack, and bending over waiting for you to grab it.

Regardless of what is written in the card, you aint gonna be happy to read it, and some would just biff it and attack the mailman.

**Katman** · 9th February 2011, 17:36

Originally Posted by bogan

It's kinda like if the mailman delivered your xmas cards by walking in, taking his pants off, and dragging his knob across your counter, wedging the card in his but crack, and bending over waiting for you to grab it.

Regardless of what is written in the card, you aint gonna be happy to read it, and some would just biff it an attack the mailman.

What if I made sure that I had a shower every morning?

**FJRider** · 9th February 2011, 17:40

Originally Posted by MSTRS

We all know that there are 'accidents' and 'crashes' (yes, I know not all see it that way, but just to separate the two 'types' - avoidable/unavoidable). Ideally, every biker down should be an accident.

To me the term "accident" implies there is no blame in either/any party involved ...

And this term is often used (too often) to avoid any implication/suggestion of guilt ... more often than not ... by those that ARE guilty ...

**Ocean1** · 9th February 2011, 17:55

Originally Posted by Katman

That's exactly what I've been fighting to avoid from the start.

Then you need to stop behaving like the enemy.

Originally Posted by phill-k

No what KM wants is for motorcyclists to start taking responsibility for their own stupidity and that's not a bad thing.

Unfortunately their are always those that either are stupid enough that they can't take the message on board, or who think they are that shit-hot that it doesn't apply to them. /that bunch really fuck me off.

Everyone knows what he wants. He ain't going to get it, and the fact that various idiots parrot tha same drivel doesn't make it any more likely.

See, whether those of us who disagree are shit-hot or otherwise is irrelevant, the fact is we are who we decided to be. Everyone has that same choice, and THAT's the point, it's their choice to make.

And before some tit who can't count blames those who chose a different way for the actions of varoius public institutions I'd like to point out that those actions can more accurately be blamed on the officious departments in question. Particularly those who have been demonstrated to lie like sausages in fat last night's fat to get their way.