Police say had the rider been wearing...

[riffer]

Too many see KMs message as "You are a cock!"

What he says is actually slightly different. He means...

Be proactive. You are responsible for your own safety.

Indeed. I would much rather follow Katman's advice now than bow to Government's laws later.

[BoristheBiter]

Indeed. I would much rather follow Katman's advice now than bow to Government's laws later.

What ?? that must be wrong, thats far to simple.

[Smifffy]

Too many see KMs message as "You are a cock!"

What he says is actually slightly different. He means...

Be proactive. You are responsible for your own safety.

What I think he means is:

Be proactive. You are responsible for your own safety, or else be a cock.

[scumdog]

Not by me, by the multiple people who felt sufficiently fired up to start threads

Fuck, judging the accuracy of what was 'said' by how a bunch of KBers react?

Priceless!

Bring out the pitchforks and firebrands I say...



(nice troll)

[steve_t]

LOL. This thread has taken an interesting turn

"You guys are a bunch of fickle mush heads."
"He's right."
"Give us hell, Quimby"

[miloking]

Today on the way to work 4 cars had their mirrors hit by a bike filtering(?) at 30 +-kph faster than the traffic going 70, in a 70kph zone!. They were just the ones I could see, at least two things happened with that event.
1- reinforced everything bad with motorcyclists
2- fucked it up for those who follow PROPERLY later.

Perhaps the new road code for bikers should have a list of recent crashes, the result and how it happened or even a booklet like the one pilots get every so often from the CAA(?)

Easy name for it- Don't do what Donny Don't does.

Yesterday I saw utter cocksucker on black GS1200 filter near st.lukes mall ...he got next to a van with slightly larger mirror and because he was fat faggot and couldnt get past, he SMACKED the mirror shut against the van and rode past like nothing happended...

I was sitting right next to the van, and actualy was so ashamed that i wanted to appologise on behalf of all bikers for that...

i fucking dare that idiot to do it to me in my cage next time!

[steve_t]

Fuck, judging the accuracy of what was 'said' by how a bunch of KBers react?

Priceless!

Bring out the pitchforks and firebrands I say...



(nice troll)

LOL. Who's the one trolling?
I can't make assumptions on how you feel, but I think Mom, president of MAGNZ, has a lot of credibility. Just because there are lot of others on here (including me) who need to be taken with a grain/shaker/bag of salt, it doesn't mean everyone should be

[MarkH]

Too many see KMs message as "You are a cock!"

What he says is actually slightly different. He means...

Be proactive. You are responsible for your own safety.

I agree for the most part with what KM is trying to say, but I think that he is shit at effectively communicating that message here on these forums. Probably in real life (you know, that poor substitute to the internet) he has no problem explaining to someone why they should be always vigilant while riding, but here he just can't explain what he wants to without coming across like an arrogant arsehole.

For anyone that is willing to overlook how KM says what he says and think about what KM is trying to say - it is a valuable message that can save your life if you heed it.

I recall my cousin telling me about nearly having an accident when he was young and fairly new to driving. It seems that a car indicated left and then moved to the right, my cousin decided to drive around him on the left when the car turned to the left. My cousin didn't understand why the idiot would need to move to the right if he was actually turning left like he was indicating. Lesson: if a vehicle is indicating left and moving right then DON'T ASSUME that the indicator is wrong, slow down and wait for them to go wherever they are actually going. It is better to stop behind someone than make an assumption about what they are doing - other road users are idiots and they will do idiotic things, don't trust them.

In the case of the motorcyclist that was killed by the U-turning truck, could he have done anything differently so that he would not have died? Maybe he could have, I wasn't there, I didn't see it, I don't know. What I wouldn't do is state to the media that had he been wearing a hi-viz vest then the truck driver may have seen him and not killed him. For one thing that may have made no difference at all. For another thing Katman will tell us that the rider should have been aware of the truck and avoided the accident, we can't MAKE drivers see us, we need to take steps to avoid being killed. I tend to agree with this idea - the chances of a hi-viz vest making a difference would be low, (in my opinion) maybe less than 10%. The chances of more care by the motorcyclist (with anticipating what the truck driver might do) making the difference - much higher (maybe, this is just a guess, I didn't see this incident unfold so I can't know for sure) like maybe 80-90%.

I think that it would have been inappropriate for the police officer to conjecture to the media that maybe the motorcyclist should have been more wary - it was the truck driver that broke the law and it would be terribly insensitive to the friends or family of the deceased rider to publicly point out where he could have done better. I don't believe the police officer giving the statement about a hi-viz vest actually witnessed the accident and I don't think his conjecture was appropriate. If he didn't have anything useful to say then he should have shut the fuck up.

Nothing in the OP goes against KM's views that motorcyclists are primarily responsible for avoiding being in a fatal accident - the OP was about the inappropriateness of the blame shifting comment to the press by the police officer. I can think of no excuse for suggesting that the motorcyclist didn't do enough to make himself seen - the truck driver had a legal responsibility to check carefully enough to see a motorcyclist even one not wearing a hi-viz vest. Maybe the SCU can offer some insight into what could have been done differently after a careful investigation but a police officer at this point should be more careful about what they say to the press.

[That looks like fun]

I agree for the most part with what KM is trying to say, but I think that he is shit at effectively communicating that message here on these forums. Probably in real life (you know, that poor substitute to the internet) he has no problem explaining to someone why they should be always vigilant while riding, but here he just can't explain what he wants to without coming across like an arrogant arsehole.

For anyone that is willing to overlook how KM says what he says and think about what KM is trying to say - it is a valuable message that can save your life if you heed it.

I recall my cousin telling me about nearly having an accident when he was young and fairly new to driving. It seems that a car indicated left and then moved to the right, my cousin decided to drive around him on the left when the car turned to the left. My cousin didn't understand why the idiot would need to move to the right if he was actually turning left like he was indicating. Lesson: if a vehicle is indicating left and moving right then DON'T ASSUME that the indicator is wrong, slow down and wait for them to go wherever they are actually going. It is better to stop behind someone than make an assumption about what they are doing - other road users are idiots and they will do idiotic things, don't trust them.

In the case of the motorcyclist that was killed by the U-turning truck, could he have done anything differently so that he would not have died? Maybe he could have, I wasn't there, I didn't see it, I don't know. What I wouldn't do is state to the media that had he been wearing a hi-viz vest then the truck driver may have seen him and not killed him. For one thing that may have made no difference at all. For another thing Katman will tell us that the rider should have been aware of the truck and avoided the accident, we can't MAKE drivers see us, we need to take steps to avoid being killed. I tend to agree with this idea - the chances of a hi-viz vest making a difference would be low, (in my opinion) maybe less than 10%. The chances of more care by the motorcyclist (with anticipating what the truck driver might do) making the difference - much higher (maybe, this is just a guess, I didn't see this incident unfold so I can't know for sure) like maybe 80-90%.

I think that it would have been inappropriate for the police officer to conjecture to the media that maybe the motorcyclist should have been more wary - it was the truck driver that broke the law and it would be terribly insensitive to the friends or family of the deceased rider to publicly point out where he could have done better. I don't believe the police officer giving the statement about a hi-viz vest actually witnessed the accident and I don't think his conjecture was appropriate. If he didn't have anything useful to say then he should have shut the fuck up.

Nothing in the OP goes against KM's views that motorcyclists are primarily responsible for avoiding being in a fatal accident - the OP was about the inappropriateness of the blame shifting comment to the press by the police officer. I can think of no excuse for suggesting that the motorcyclist didn't do enough to make himself seen - the truck driver had a legal responsibility to check carefully enough to see a motorcyclist even one not wearing a hi-viz vest. Maybe the SCU can offer some insight into what could have been done differently after a careful investigation but a police officer at this point should be more careful about what they say to the press.

I say hallelujah brothers, can i have an Amen to that

[Eyegasm]

Just because there are lot of others on here (including me) who need to be taken with a grain/shaker/bag of salt, it doesn't mean everyone should be

Mate, it's an internet forum... I take everything said here with a grain of salt. Only after looking into a fact myself will I then heed/listen to what was said.

I agree for the most part with what KM is trying to say, but I think that he is shit at effectively
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into what could have been done differently after a careful investigation but a police officer at this point should be more careful about what they say to the press.

tl;dr

Bulletpoints?

[Maha]

LOL. Who's the one trolling?
I can't make assumptions on how you feel, but I think Mom, president of MAGNZ, has a lot of credibility. Just because there are lot of others on here (including me) who need to be taken with a grain/shaker/bag of salt, it doesn't mean everyone should be

Indeed, those who think they know everything really annoy those that do.

[Ocean1]

Too many see KMs message as "You are a cock!"

What he says is actually slightly different. He means...

Be proactive. You are responsible for your own safety.

When I want his opinion on how anyone else should behave then I'll be sure to ask.

In the meantime he should mind his own business. Quietly.

[Katman]

In the meantime he should mind his own business. Quietly.

Motorcycling, and the success or demise of it, is my business.

[scumdog]

Indeed, those who think they know everything really annoy those that do.

Ain't THAT the truth...

[Ocean1]

Motorcycling, and the success or demise of it, is my business.

Really? Strange, you sound exactly the same as those who want motorcycles gone, or severely regulated.