Too many classes at National Championship?

[rat]

Without him out there i personally know of five sidecars that would be there.

More than that dude!

[rat]

sorry to turn this into a Negative then, but those 5 must be total pathetic Juvinille wankers then

When the flag drops the bullshit stops, and NO one has to talk to each other, or are you all gay

Nah not Gay.... But they all have fucked a man that was.

[rat]

But i swung just this weekend been Trevor!! Two wins & two seconds.
Im not past it yet!!
Oh. . . and like i said, im not playing in the sandpit anymore, im playing with the nice kids on the climbing tower now.

The climbing Tower is fun

[White trash]

nice one, so I take it your not wearing the "Im Mrs Bron" shirt anymore have you been kicked out of the bus? Hahahahaha.

Yes you have a excellent point someone is just paying a half doz people so he can claim to be NZ #1, when there is no class competition out there against him. They all went club and classic racing.

Yeah fuck the sidecars out of the Nationals then see what sandpit he has to play in.

You seem to know what the score is so please enlighten someone new to the game that doesn't actually KNOW what the current score is and what the problem is. This is a genuine request, I'm wondering.

Why is there this "Fuck Mr Bron, he's fucked our championship and we're not playing anymore." opinion? I genuinely do not get it. I see a guy that wanted to win, so he threw what he could at winning. If I had the wallet I'd do exactly the same thing. I've even joked that if I won powerball I'd import a used NSR500 GP bike to contest F1 of the Victoria Club Winter Series on.

Unless someone can tell me otherwise, I'm assuming that we have a very smelly case of "Tall Poppy Syndrome" within the sidecar ranks. Am I wrong?

PM'd explanation will do, but will carry far less weight than a public explanation obviously.

Looking forward to the masses of feedback.

[rat]

You seem to know what the score is so please enlighten someone new to the game that doesn't actually KNOW what the current score is and what the problem is. This is a genuine request, I'm wondering.

Why is there this "Fuck Mr Bron, he's fucked our championship and we're not playing anymore." opinion? I genuinely do not get it. I see a guy that wanted to win, so he threw what he could at winning. If I had the wallet I'd do exactly the same thing. I've even joked that if I won powerball I'd import a used NSR500 GP bike to contest F1 of the Victoria Club Winter Series on.

Unless someone can tell me otherwise, I'm assuming that we have a very smelly case of "Tall Poppy Syndrome" within the sidecar ranks. Am I wrong?

PM'd explanation will do, but will carry far less weight than a public explanation obviously.

Looking forward to the masses of feedback.

Tall poppy maybe????

Power ball.... Money That's the point.

We sidecar racers are such a small minority of motorcyle racing in NZ that when you throw so much money at going fast in a straight line to beat your oposition, that it stops being competitive.

It would be the same if you did what you have quoted above.

It would be fine in Europe where 40 odd teams have that money and spend it every year to do all the champoinships over there.

But in reallity no one wants to waste money on the Nationals for nothing,
Hence everyone has left the sandpit to have fun again elsewhere (club racing and classics).

unfortunatly that is the bottom line, if you agree with it or not.

And yes we all want to win... but like to have fun on the track and talk shit about it afterwards over a few cold ones, win or lose.

That's the reallity of it all, I'm sure someone else will have a different view of it.

[k14]

Well lucky the other classes don't have that attitude or else there would only be 2-3 riders in each class!

[White trash]

Well lucky the other classes don't have that attitude or else there would only be 2-3 riders in each class!

Bingo.

Sorry Rat, but I don't understand how you can't have fun at Nats if you're not winning. I mean, the first year I got interested was the first year Stacy bought the LCR over. Full sidecar grids, I think about 11 at Puke allthough I could be wrong. Regardless if Stacey was there or not, there were going to be 9 losers not having fun.

Still don't get it.

[rat]

Bingo.

Sorry Rat, but I don't understand how you can't have fun at Nats if you're not winning. I mean, the first year I got interested was the first year Stacy bought the LCR over. Full sidecar grids, I think about 11 at Puke allthough I could be wrong. Regardless if Stacey was there or not, there were going to be 9 losers not having fun.

Still don't get it.

Circulating to make up numbers is not fun to many, especially when you are doing laps by your self.

Come on thats not racing.

And it's not all about winning as i stated.
You can still have fun mid field having a good battle with lots of people.

But the point is that is often missed ...why spend shit loads having mid field battles at nationals when you can half your budget and go classic or club racing and have the same ammount of fun.

Yes I have fun at any race meeting that I'm racing at, it is a generalisation, about why others dont. You posed the question. Just my thoughts on why.
I'm sure there are others.

[Drew]

Circulating to make up numbers is not fun to many, especially when you are doing laps by your self.

Come on thats not racing.

And it's not all about winning as i stated.
You can still have fun mid field having a good battle with lots of people.

But the point is that is often missed ...why spend shit loads having mid field battles at nationals when you can half your budget and go classic or club racing and have the same ammount of fun.

Yes I have fun at any race meeting that I'm racing at, it is a generalisation, about why others dont. You posed the question. Just my thoughts on why.
I'm sure there are others.

Umm, if the rest of the guys who used to run the nationals were there, we might not have circulated by ourselves.

We want to run a chair at club level too, and unfortunately missed the boat when Vic club gave sidecars a go and the numbers were lacking. But the outfits are all over NZ, why are they not racing for the sake of racing? Nationals is cheaper than any other two day meeting I've ever been to.

[lostinflyz]

Circulating to make up numbers is not fun to many, especially when you are doing laps by your self.

Come on thats not racing.

And it's not all about winning as i stated.
You can still have fun mid field having a good battle with lots of people.

But the point is that is often missed ...why spend shit loads having mid field battles at nationals when you can half your budget and go classic or club racing and have the same ammount of fun.

Yes I have fun at any race meeting that I'm racing at, it is a generalisation, about why others dont. You posed the question. Just my thoughts on why.
I'm sure there are others.

sounds like you don't wanna go nats racing. You go there to be challenged by the best, most expensive kit and guys this country has to offer. If you come last, 2 laps down then you know you need to improve (be it skill or budget, whats the difference).

If theres that many sidecars chomping at the bit to go race nats, why not propose to change the rules to level the playing field. I bet if you did the same number would turn up

[Drew]

If theres that many sidecars chomping at the bit to go race nats, why not propose to change the rules to level the playing field. I bet if you did the same number would turn up

I wonder why there isn't a short/long outfit separation on the points anyway. Run them together and everyone wins. Perhaps do it in house in conjunction with the nats so the long chair guys don't have to try and find six to run every meeting cos I dunno if that'd happen.

[lostinflyz]

isn't the idea that long chairs are better on big circuits (faster) and short on tighter or are they supposed to be run seperate?

One of the nice things in superlites is you have bikes that work better at certain tracks than others, thus the potential for various winners or varied results is greater, which makes things much more interesting. You see the same thing in motogp with casey at losail and rossi at sepang.

[rat]

Umm, if the rest of the guys who used to run the nationals were there, we might not have circulated by ourselves.

We want to run a chair at club level too, and unfortunately missed the boat when Vic club gave sidecars a go and the numbers were lacking. But the outfits are all over NZ, why are they not racing for the sake of racing? Nationals is cheaper than any other two day meeting I've ever been to.

Club champs are being run and are about to finish for the season, with classes divided in to long bike, short bike, 600 etc.
We as a club are getting plenty of racing outside of the nationals.

If you want to run a chair at club level all you have to do is join the club and turn up.

[rat]

sounds like you don't wanna go nats racing. You go there to be challenged by the best, most expensive kit and guys this country has to offer. If you come last, 2 laps down then you know you need to improve (be it skill or budget, whats the difference).

If theres that many sidecars chomping at the bit to go race nats, why not propose to change the rules to level the playing field. I bet if you did the same number would turn up

Yep your right I dont want to go to the Nats as per many others.
Yes you improve skill by chasing faster people, but you tell me how you improve budget, when things are stretched for the majority of people just out there to enjoy the sport.

Rule changes have been suggested in the past... Head meet brick wall.

[CHOPPA]

I suppose I can sorta see where RAT is coming from..... If there were no rules on the superbike class and suzuki turned up with a moto gp bike for Andrew to ride it would make me re think my entry to the class.... No I cant beat Andrew even on standard equipment but it is (tecnically) possible, with him on a GP bike no chance!!