SH1 rider
and you would believe a pollie?? The opposition are part of the government, they get to ask questions in parliament and sit on the committees etc so just having your preferred party represented is a gain, ask WinnieOriginally Posted by mashman
...or the ones who vote for the losers... after all, JK says nothing gets done when in opposition, so it must be a wasted vote
Registered User
Yeah, they are always shitting themselves...
Cyborg Biker
I think the idea was back then to get people to start thinking about it... and well I don't think they have taken it any further...
The thing is both MAG and BRONZ combined would be a good starting point if it was to be taken any further... They already have the infrastructure around the country in place, they have the numbers and can get to the rest of the clubs to gain momentum…
Thing is BRONZ Otago are not wanting to be the political group it was set up to be… and that is one reason many members a miffed… Last year the president said he doesn’t want any to do with that and just wants to be a social club… well BRONZ was never set up to be a club… Just as ACC was never set to be used how it is today… they both need to go back to their roots.
one placenta
...a wild card not yet thrown into the fickle mix of kiwi's and where their votes go...key is hoping like hell that the ab's kick arse and bring the cup home...his lot will then stroll back into parliament, whatever shit they talk in the run up...
SH1 rider
looks like we are in for a change in Governing party then
Viva La France. Oh well at least the Royal watches will still vote for him cause he's got his invite to the wedding.
NEDWN VIII
How exactly will it been seen that the present Government had anything to do with the All Blacks winning the world cup?...if in fact that is the case.
Forum whore
First I have heard of this ......
Just ride.
dodgy is as dodgy does
1. For a start, it would need get around 117,000 votes to get into parliament, and given there are "in the region of 90,000 registered motorcycles in NZ" (NZRAV website), I would estimate that there are probably around 60,000 motorcyclists eligible to vote. Therefore every single one of them and one other non-rider would need to vote for said party. How likely is that to happen?
2. If I am going to give my vote to a party I will expect that party to have a valid and well thought out position on finance, health, education, law and order, transport, defence an the environment; and to have credible spokespeople on all of those areas so my party can lobby for my interests in the house and participate in the select committee process.
3. What do we actually have to complain about? ACC levies are an unfair pain in the wallet, but that ain't gonna change in this lifetime, even if said party gets the 5% threshold.
4. Most importantly, it's a massive waste of energy and resources. To have a credible presence there would need to be a candidate in most electorates and an infrastructure behind those candidates. That costs massive amounts of time and money and where is that going to come from? Who is willing to knock on doors, hold meetings, hand out flyers etc?
We're a hell of a lot better off coming up with some clear and valid needs, and lobbying the existing political parties to support us. I know that Labour, Jim Anderton, the Maori Party and the Greens are all motorcycle-friendly, whereas Act, Peter Dunne and National aren't. We need to tell them what we want and get a commitment to go in to bat for us in the legislative chambers in exchange for our votes. If you want to vote for National (Act and Peter Dunne are unlikely to return in November), get in the face of your MP and get him to recognise your concerns and commit to supporting them.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
stormrider
The only way to get change is to fight for it, when the final votes are tallied up & it is seen by the pollies that several thousand voted for the biker party they will then realise that we do have a voice. Thats votes that didn't go to them because of their past performance.
If a biker party was set up a realistic goal would be to have MP's in parliment after the 2014 elections.
I would doubt a biker party could get in this november, but it could still make a difference.
Don't forget that Social credit & Alliance were able to get MP's into the house on different occaisions.
With the current political system (MMP) , we have the the chance to make a difference, it is up to us wether we take the time & effort to do that.
bikes and babes are best naked
I found I had a fluffy seam when my crotch got wet.
Cyborg Biker
little bit better this year though with new presidant and all... ;-)
People that are wanting to be head people for clubs and assoiations like BRONZ have to realise what the group and club are all about...
I have always said;
Hey its great that BRONZ Otago run the VCR rally and the profits it makes go to donations and various charities... however in the time of need that money should be raised to now fight ACC... how much easier would it be if BRONZ had funding rasied by other bikers... A few other rallies could also pitch in March Hare, Brass Moneky, Magpie Madness thats for of the major rallies in the south that make good profits every year...
dodgy is as dodgy does
nice idea, but the reality is the political analysts pay almost no attention to votes gained by the parties that don't crack 5%. The main reason is that those votes come from all sides of the political spectrum, so if National lost (say) 20,000 votes, then Labour would have probably lost 15,000 votes, the Greens 2,000 votes etc, so they're not advantaged by suddenly taking motorcyclists seriously - and you have to remember that to the National party we're seen as low priority voters.
No, not a realistic goal at all. It costs millions of dollars to build a political party to the point where they are a likely contendor based solely on party votes. Where are you going to find the economists to develop an economic policy? Or the legal experts to develop your justic policies? Or education, medicine etc? You will have to have them because you need more than just motorcyclists to get into parliament, so you have to have a broader appeal than ACC levies or motorcycle safety.If a biker party was set up a realistic goal would be to have MP's in parliment after the 2014 elections.
Social Credit had Bruce Beetham win a seat and they had a wide ranging policies, and Social Credit contested many elections before that happened. Alliance had over 5% of the party vote and were the result of the merger of several parties with quite a broad support.Don't forget that Social credit & Alliance were able to get MP's into the house on different occaisions.
.With the current political system (MMP) , we have the the chance to make a difference, it is up to us wether we take the time & effort to do that
Absolutely. Make a difference by lobbying existing political parties to back motorcycling because 2 or 3% more votes might mean they can take power. If you're serious about engaging in the political process then form a lobby group, identify the issues and engage in a structured and managed process of lobbying the political parties until you get a commitment.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Cyborg Biker
Whilst the main core of the party would be bikers, the party could easily align itself with any group that is upset with ACC... including other road users... starndard vehicle rego has gone up as well and that means all drivers and there was no need two...
Its not just rego and acc, what about the condition of our roads, the licensing system in general, these effect every person that drive or ride
one placenta
...its got fuck all to do with the govt...its the feel good thing kiwi's get from small shit like this...and when they feel good, all is good with the planet and kiwi's dont rock the boat when they are feeling good...they dont even rock the fucking boat when they are being shafted...which is just about constantly.... you may think your well intentioned vote is going to make the difference...sorry....the multitudes are running around with their pants around their ankles and their arses greased up to be shafted even harder...a political party has to only offer some meaningless tax incentive or a shallow promise of a few more pennies, this year or maybe next year in the pay packet and average joe is happy to turn on the rugby, cricket, yachting and bask in the relative safety of not having to think too hard 'cos this is god-zone , we'll be right, black jerseys, red socks,no towel heads here...aren't we lucky...if you can even get the fuckwits to cast their vote...apolitical apathy reigns supreme...and we are world champions at it...
dodgy is as dodgy does
Wouldn't it make much, much more sense to align with an existing political party that is going to be willing to make those issues a platform? Why reinvent the wheel?
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Forum whore
Yep
Diesel powered vehicle owners, 4wd clubs, car clubs, truckers, guaranteed we have more in common with a LOT of these than other factions of society
Car clubs run track days (just pointing a common ground out)
MAG are engaging very pro actively with Cyclists and getting good feedback as I understand it
Bikers have a fair ammount of sympathy still, we can capatalise on it
Just ride.
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