Space weather...

[mashman]

Just to shift the focus out of the Chch Earthquake thread... If not, MOD's, feel free to delete this thread...

Interesting reading last night about how the moon does create a "land tide" also, but that the magnitude and frequency of earthquakes seems to have no statistically significant relation to the position of the moon

got a linky for that? t'would be better than watching high speed chases

[scissorhands]

Indian engineer's site (Indians are big believers in astrology...)

http://earthquakeprediction.webs.com/

BTW this sort of thinking does lead to witchcraft

[mashman]

Indian engineer's site (Indians are big believers in astrology...)

http://earthquakeprediction.webs.com/

BTW this sort of thinking does lead to witchcraft

cool, will have a read... as were pretty much every civilisation on the planet at one point or another, if what i've read is to be believed

[steve_t]

http://sciblogs.co.nz/the-atavism/20...quakes-either/

This was really interesting and informative

[mashman]

The thing is scientists spend all their time trying to come up with new ways to explain and predict shit, and they tend to leave no stone unturned, so they will have spent a gazillion man hours exploring those theories and ended up discounting them. If a scientist could publish a paper supporting a hypothesis that the moon influenced/caused earthquakes, and was therefore able to predict them with any degree of certainty he'd be lined up for a Nobel prize and be cited in everything, and that shit really spins their wheels.

I don't think Ken Ring has discovered something that everyone else has missed.

However my plastic Jesus statue on the other hand...

Fair enough, but once they find no strict correlation or degree of certainty, the subject is confined to the "solved" pile never to be revisited again , even if they were wrong. I'd say take a look at the drugs industry and recent research as an example of how Science can fuck things up... but as this is space weather. What about the (i'll find source) sun man and his prediction that this winter was gonna be one of the coldest for a long time, whereas the meteorologists were predicting a "mild" winter... erm, erm, erm, 1 - 0 to the sun man... Even solar scientists agree that there is an unpredictable predictability to the sunspot cycle etc... hence they predict sunspots and peaks and troughs of activity (the peak has been changed from 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and noe 2013) and they are the best of the best... WTF! Anyhoo, our modern day science is millenia behind what older civilisations knew

To that end, science and the general consensus isn't always right, not by a long chalk in some ways. The world was flat, the world is held by elephants, tortoises etc.. (yet everyone forgets the snake , and that's symbology and not literal as the naysayers espouse it to be )... so much knowledge has been lost through the ages and we rely heavily on instruments instead of age long observation to give us our extra-terrestrial science. I find that hugely 1 eyed, HUGELY.

That being the case, i'm more than happy with Ken Rings hypothesis, even if it isn't mainstream, just like the sun man was laughed at... relying on the scientific community isn't always a good thing, global warming cough cough... let alone when it comes to revisiting theories that may have held more water than they thought... Ken Ring may not have discovered something that everyone else missed, but he has perhaps rediscovered it instead .

The plastic Jesus is just mumbo jumbo, i reckon you knock it over on purpose

[oldrider]

When a question is unresolved why close doors and minds to possible solutions?

It is not compulsory to believe everything you read or hear but it would be very unreasonable to be forced to accept one unproven line of thought only!

I think that the worst scaremongers are the historic places trust people who just can't seem to get it into their heads that most of our heritage buildings are dangerous and should be demolished before they kill any more innocent people!

Hows that for closed mindedness but it is a proven fact that those buildings are dangerous and should be avoided like the plague!

The historic places trust people don't agree with me of course!

So many people so many opinions. Viva la difference!

[avgas]

The thing I don't like about Ken's stuff is simple.

I remember WAAAY back in engineering lectures that we were forced to calculate an infantisimle (fuck knows how to spell it, or say it - I drunk alot in uni basically "really small") charge and infinite distance away, and calculate the force felt from it.

Yet this guy cant calculate the force of the moon's affect on earth accurate to 1 day? Or even 1 week.

I mean we all know the moon will be at the lowest then.......the fricken chinese have celebrated this occasion for a few thousand years.
Its up there for 3 weeks. For all to see. Yet his calculations can say on a specific day something is going to happen.

I would not announce myself the lord of a particular field if I had that kind of inaccuracy......

[mashman]

The thing I don't like about Ken's stuff is simple.

I remember WAAAY back in engineering lectures that we were forced to calculate an infantisimle (fuck knows how to spell it, or say it - I drunk alot in uni basically "really small") charge and infinite distance away, and calculate the force felt from it.

Yet this guy cant calculate the force of the moon's affect on earth accurate to 1 day? Or even 1 week.

I mean we all know the moon will be at the lowest then.......the fricken chinese have celebrated this occasion for a few thousand years.
Its up there for 3 weeks. For all to see. Yet his calculations can say on a specific day something is going to happen.

I would not announce myself the lord of a particular field if I had that kind of inaccuracy......

Just to devils advocatise... Space and the lab are likely quite different. It's not just the moons affect on earth that needs to be taken into consideration. Do you not have variances/tolerances in your calculations? Does a man made object properlled into space always go where NASA expect it to?

Meteorologists have the same problems predicting the weather 1 day or a week ahead at times...

Not just his calculations . The indian engineer in scissors link has posted some of his predictions and also gives the reasons for not being able to pinpoint the exact location for where an earthwuale will strike.

Do you get the exact mileage out of your car that the book says? Have climatologists changed any data recently? Is the plastic Jesus "cult" just another fad? How do the government go over budget when they know exactly how much something is going to cost? After all, they are all experts in their own fields

[imdying]

Anyhoo, our modern day science is millenia behind what older civilisations knew

Yup, I hear those Egyptians were splitting atoms all over the show

Other Things Ken Ring can't predict.

The guy is a flake... I wouldn't even lift off teh gas slightly if I found him in front of my car. Not even a millimetre.

And yes, NASA know where there shit is going just fine.

[steve_t]

Yup, I hear those Egyptians were splitting atoms all over the show

I'm sure I saw something on TV where Egyptian technology was allowing MacGyver to travel through wormholes to other dimensions
Do we know how they built the pyramids yet?

[imdying]

We sure do:

[Usarka]

Science has accepted that gravity can cause geological activity.

Jupiters moon Io is riddled with volcanoes and earthquakes due to it's proximity to Jupiter and the gravitational stresses it is under.

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/....cfm?Object=Io

[oneofsix]

We sure do:

They've even worked out how the slaves did it. They used amasing things like ramps

[steve_t]

They've even worked out how the slaves did it. They used amasing things like ramps

Damn it. I was hoping it was aliens

[mashman]

You mean that stuff that makes up 0.04% of the Earth's mass? Gonna take a much much bigger pull than that to move the crust. You keep crapping on about it, but the fact is, it's mass is 5/8s of fuck all compared to the tectonic plates.

I'm not saying it's not plate movement either. I don't keep crapping on about anything, well apart from the money thing ...

And yet the with a mass of only 0.0123 than that of the mass of earth, and being 378,000k's away, the moon still causes a greater shift of mass on earth, than it's own mass. Yet it has fuck all to do with fuck all? Do the plates move by themselves?

Yup, I hear those Egyptians were splitting atoms all over the show

Other Things Ken Ring can't predict.

The guy is a flake... I wouldn't even lift off teh gas slightly if I found him in front of my car. Not even a millimetre.

And yes, NASA know where there shit is going just fine.

Fuckin hell, where did you read that?

Yawn.

Maybe he is. Doesn't mean the theory is though.

Really? Yet "probes" have retro's (or whataver you call them) and onboard navigation systems to correct any misalignments in trajectory... hmmmmm...