Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council (Ex Motorcycle Safety Levy Establishment Group)

[Mom]

I think it's time both realised that Motorcycling should be bigger than both of them put together.

I agree with you. Hard to get it happening though, try as I might.

And you do so troll

Dont even attempt to deny it

[Katman]

And you do so troll

Trolling suggests a degree of frivolity.

Believe me Anne, I'm deadly serious.

[Mom]

I'm deadly serious.

You and me both.

[Fatt Max]

He knew my name, we had talked personally prior to his attendance at our protest, his office staff knew my name, all correspondance was in my name, but he still called me Annie. Hmmmmm. Obviously I was not important enough for him to attempt to remember my name.

Thats nothing, he called me Sandra........

MInd you, were were in a hotel room.....

[StoneY]

There's nothing trolling about my comments Anne.

It's been sad to watch MAG-NZ and BRONZ attempting to score points against each other.

I think it's time both realised that Motorcycling should be bigger than both of them put together.

Geez mate I aint been trying to score any points, I just stick to our agenda and refuse to let anyone sway my own point of view without good evidence or arguments.

As for video and promises, search 'BIKOI, Phil Goff' on Youtube and you'll find his Parliament speech, in which he committed to undoing the ridiculous levy hikes if they become the government
Also the February protest speech he made, that's also on Youtube somewhere, maybe linked from ACC futures website but I cant be sure and don't have any time to go searching at the moment


I know MAG and BRONZ do not always see the same side of every argument but I do genuinely respect Anne for the work her and MAG do, whatever philosophical differences we have, and we worked very cooperatively on the Wellington Parking issue without any issues at all.


The Wellington Treasurer (and Federation rep for Wellington) and myself met with Phil Goff, and Rick Barker a few weeks back, while we were at Parliament we also saw Dave Clendon, and Grant Robertson
We received full and unconditional support from all of them for the parking battle

More recently I met with Chris Hipkins, and yes Labour do have a plan, but they're keeping it quiet and I am not at liberty to divulge publicly what Chris shared with me, as I am one of his constituents I will honour my agreement with him to keep my mouth shut, but I can say as a biker (NOT as BRONZ and not as an MSAC member) - you will prefer his plans over Nationals mark my word.

He is just keeping it quiet until its appropriate to make it public

[bogan]

As for video and promises, search 'BIKOI, Phil Goff' on Youtube and you'll find his Parliament speech, in which he committed to undoing the ridiculous levy hikes if they become the government
Also the February protest speech he made, that's also on Youtube somewhere, maybe linked from ACC futures website but I cant be sure and don't have any time to go searching at the moment

I've found speeches, but none contain the promise you speak of (but I know he said it as I was there too), if you do get a chance to find em that'd be appreciated.

[riffer]

Okay guys, I have a bit of information from our sources in the Labour Party.

There are no plans to renege on their promises to roll back National's changes to the ACC levy increase portion of the Licensing fee. They are currently working hard on their more equitable way of redistributing the cost. When this policy has been agreed upon it will be released. No cospiracies or back door work - it's just the nature of party policy. It's very much as Stoney said two posts back - you're just going to have to wait.

One thing they will be keeping though is the MSL. They believe it is a good idea as it ring-fences some money and gives bikers an opportunity to have their own say regarding safety initiatives, particularly around roading.

[bogan]

It's very much as Stoney said two posts back - you're just going to have to wait.

Fair enough, as long as they understand they will have to wait for our support then.

[Maha]

I like this bit...

'They believe it is a good idea as it ring-fences some money and gives bikers an opportunity to have their own say regarding safety initiatives, particularly around roading'.

Sounds very much like a Labour led Government will lend us thier ear...that'll be nice change. Especially where our saftey on the road is concerned.

[StoneY]

I like this bit...

'They believe it is a good idea as it ring-fences some money and gives bikers an opportunity to have their own say regarding safety initiatives, particularly around roading'.

Sounds very much like a Labour led Government will lend us thier ear...that'll be nice change. Especially where our saftey on the road is concerned.

Could be adding to my woes saying this......... (likely to get sacked in fact!)

I do think we would get far more traction from a Labour/Greens coalition in regards OUR needs as road users than we would the current bosses. IMO anyway

It's no secret I support Labour, I am even a member of the party in fact.

[riffer]

Could be adding to my woes saying this......... (likely to get sacked in fact!)

I do think we would get far more traction from a Labour/Greens coalition in regards OUR needs as road users than we would the current bosses. IMO anyway

It's no secret I support Labour, I am even a member of the party in fact.

I dunno mate; traditionally public servants, while supposedly neutral, have made no effort to hide the fact that they are predominantly left-leaning. As an ex-union rep I also wouldn't have expected any less of you.

I hardly think you can be fired for expressing an opinion of this sort. It's hardly China, or Libya.

[Fatt Max]

It's hardly China....

You spent much time in Howick mate..??...

[Genestho]

I'll not be voting Labour, they have been arrogant and removed bullshit artists, the current bunch seem like they sail on any headline grabbing cause.

There really is no relevance to whom is in power on roading/safety or any further Motorcycling issues, NZTA are already consulting on roading issues and it will be going nationwide - it is already written in stone for 10 years regardless of whom is power.

And I will eat my hat if Labour get voted in and if they do.... if they really do anything to significantly change ACC.

[riffer]

... I will eat my hat if Labour get voted in and if they do.... if they really do anything to significantly change ACC.

I totally understand where you are coming from mate. This is however a democracy and the people need to be fully informed before they make their decision. I believe the current lot had a whole lot of stuff planned that they never talked about, and it behooves us to ask the questions of those who would pursue the mantle of responsibility (sic) that is Government.

And that is why I am happy to talk to ANYONE - even Winston Peters - if I can get a commitment from them for bikers.

[Genestho]

I can't comment on what's been allegedly planned and wasn't spoken of?

That's a bit vague for me.

And it behooves us to ask the questions of those who would pursue the mantle of responsibility (sic) that is Government.

Absolutely agree, if there's requirement on the individual then the same requirement must be given by those ultimately responsible for that which is outside of our control and I believe that's achievable.

I'm a believer that if you do nothing - that's exactly what you will get, but I am very very doubtful that labour would be the sole saviour you guys appear to expect them to be, especially at this time. Although I would wish lots of luck!

And that is why I am happy to talk to ANYONE - even Winston Peters - if I can get a commitment from them for bikers.

I guess that is the most important point, and even more importantly - to assert a role for Motorcyclists where their needs and requirements are respectfully counted and included in any roading or safety issues - regardless of who is in power.
From what I can see, this is exactly what we have, albeit in the very early stages.