A bit of banter between flatties

**ac3_snow** · 9th March 2011, 06:53

Originally Posted by Usarka

The upside down bike will always win.

I have been at a hampton downs track day and through the twisty bits at the back of the track was pretty even with a new R1 he couldn't get past me (good chance he just didn't want to push past on a corner) and following him I could get him under brakes, but didn't try to push past ( I was on my mc22 average tyres)
Of course didn't last long cause as soon as we exit the last corner before a short straight he goes past laughing away with his front wheel sky high.

**Fatt Max** · 9th March 2011, 07:03

Originally Posted by Usarka

More weight = more momentum and higher corereolologleoteis effect. Flash new bike = better suspenders, sexier legs and more rubber where it matters. Toss a coin?

you had me at 'weight'.....oohhh....

**davebullet** · 9th March 2011, 07:04

My money would be on the Daytona. I believe there would be more contact patch with the Daytona's tyres which would more than make up for any weight difference. That combined with better suspension should give the Daytona more grip and with more power more drive through and after the apex.

**Marmoot** · 9th March 2011, 08:42

A few years ago, I witnessed a cbr250 overtook an R1 out the very twisty bits around whangamata. Both were ridden by skilled mental nutters with deathwish.

So, yes it is possible. But very rarely.

**onearmedbandit** · 9th March 2011, 09:53

Originally Posted by davebullet

My money would be on the Daytona. I believe there would be more contact patch with the Daytona's tyres which would more than make up for any weight difference.

Ever seen how far a 125GP bike can lean over, and the corner speed they can carry? Now have a look at the width of the tyres. More contact patch is only important when putting down more power, something the CBR250 doesn't really have to worry about. In saying that, my money is on the bike with the better chassis and suspenders.

**James Deuce** · 9th March 2011, 09:58

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

PB mag or similar did a test like this a while ago, think there was a Buell, GSXR600, Z1000 and maybe a VFR400 or CBR400. Between them all there was very little difference, but the 400 did not come out on top.

Nah the Buell won.

**mister.koz** · 9th March 2011, 10:10

There are way too many variables to guess but i would say that this would come down to the corner, rider experience on the machines and the size of the kahuna's involved.

Overall i'd still take the bigger bike, generally with way better suspension, bigger breaks (and more rubber for them) and because you can use the power through the corner rather than wrap it on and wait for the engine to catch up with your ambition.

**onearmedbandit** · 9th March 2011, 10:31

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Nah the Buell won.

Like I said there was little in it, but yes I think the Buell came out on top. In some areas others were above or below it, but ultimately the Buell did take honours. I've got the mag here, it's just somewhere amongst my stacks of bike mags.

**James Deuce** · 9th March 2011, 10:36

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Like I said there was little in it, but yes I think the Buell came out on top. In some areas others were above or below it, but ultimately the Buell did take honours. I've got the mag here, it's just somewhere amongst my stacks of bike mags.

It was an XB9R that they were hillclimbing at the time. They didn't rate them until they actually used them in anger.

**Ocean1** · 9th March 2011, 11:34

Originally Posted by James Deuce

They didn't rate them until they actually used them in anger.

So that's the secret...

**James Deuce** · 9th March 2011, 11:41

Raaaaaaaar!

**Whynot** · 9th March 2011, 11:42

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Raaaaaaaar!

My thoughts exactly!

**tigertim20** · 9th March 2011, 13:30

Problem with all the 'this time I saw these guys', or 'when i was at xxx on myxxx" is that you are comparing many things at once.

Same bike, same corner, same day, same rider, same road temp/weather etc etc Id give it to the daytona MOST of the time. Of course, if youre talking about a gymkhana corner, well the little bike wins.
But Id say, on the road, real world scenario, bigger bike. Especially in the example you gave, a 675, vs a 20 year old bike? Theres alot newer tech on the daytona, more tyre width etc etc etc.

Does your mate also tell you that you dont need 1000cc on NZ roads?