Another one bites the dust

**Usarka** · 28th March 2011, 19:19

Originally Posted by Toaster

All I said was I take a moment to think and prepare before riding. I try to give myself the best chance of surviving, having been very close to not surviving in the past. That crash nearly destroyed my life costing me almost all I had.

It is also something taught at a professional riding course, to switch on before riding and be alert.

If you want to ride around without regard for the risks, go ahead.

Yet you still choose to ride regardless of the fact that driving a car is a safer option. Acceptable risk is not an absolute, one person can not say "this is what I choose" and expect others to do the same.

BTW - I'm almost in the same camp as you, and I don't always ride like a nana at 90kph (compared to myself but probably uber-tame compared to others), just as I go kite surfing and other "fun" risky activities even though one more knock to the head will probably = vegetable patch. I think the "message" should be risk mitigation, not risk elimination otherwise we should all hang the keys up and buy a toyota starlet.

**Katman** · 28th March 2011, 19:33

Originally Posted by Usarka

I think the "message" should be risk mitigation, not risk elimination otherwise we should all hang the keys up and buy a toyota starlet.

Good for you.

I knew you'd eventually get it.

**Usarka** · 28th March 2011, 19:38

Originally Posted by Katman

Good for you.

I knew you'd eventually get it.

No this has been my belief all along. In fact I'll bet $1000 that I haven't crashed a bike more recently than you, (therefore I could easily argue that I am a safer rider than you). Willing to put money where mouth is?

You're extremism envokes a natural human response to fight back which I will continue to do as I think it does more harm than good. In fact sometimes I think of you harping on when I'm riding and it makes me go faster. And I know it gives you wood to know that people think of you when riding, but not quite the same result you're hoping for eh.

**Katman** · 28th March 2011, 19:40

Originally Posted by Usarka

You're extremism envokes a natural human response to fight back which I will continue to do as I think it does more harm than good.

Fuck off dickhead - what's extreme about wanting to slash our accident figures so we cop less heat from the powers that be?

(Fuck me, anyone would think I was trying to slap a fucking jihad down on your arse).

**Usarka** · 28th March 2011, 19:44

Originally Posted by Katman

Fuck off dickhead - what's extreme about wanting to slash our accident figures so we cop less heat from the powers that be?

Do you really want me to go and quote all your posts?

Not up for the $1000 bet poofter?

**Katman** · 28th March 2011, 19:46

Originally Posted by Usarka

Do you really want me to go and quote all your posts?

Quote away.

**Usarka** · 28th March 2011, 19:50

Originally Posted by Katman

Quote away.

No I've got better things to do like floss the cat. Found this one though

Originally Posted by katman

I'm a hypocrite and have no balls

**Katman** · 28th March 2011, 19:52

Originally Posted by Usarka

No I've got better things to do like floss the cat.

Fail.

**Usarka** · 28th March 2011, 19:55

Originally Posted by Katman

Fail.

Oh man you got me with your superior wit and intellect.

Seriously dude either lay off the crack or go see a doctor.

ps - I'm loggin off so you can even have the last word....

**sinfull** · 28th March 2011, 19:56

Originally Posted by Katman

Personally, I cringe when I hear motorcyclists talk of riding motorcycles as 'fun'.

It may be semantics but I believe the use of the word 'fun' indicates a lack of recognition of the fact that riding a motorcycle is something that needs to be taken seriously.

I take riding my motorcycles seriously Steve !

Originally Posted by Katman

I see a distinction between 'fun' and 'enjoyment'.

As I said, it may be semantics or it may just be a different state of mind.

State of mind ? Does the term blowing cobwebs out ring a bell here mate ? I ride because it brings a different state of mind (think skydive) Am i the only one here who rides because it is far more dangerous than driving ?

Originally Posted by Katman

I liken 'fun' to how children play with 'toys'. (Absolutely no offence intended to you - I'm simply trying to explain my viewpoint).

I don't see road bikes as 'toys'.

Did you play with fire crackers ? I made my own !

Originally Posted by Usarka

No this has been my belief all along. In fact I'll bet $1000 that I haven't crashed a bike more recently than you, (therefore I could easily argue that I am a safer rider than you). Willing to put money where mouth is?

You're extremism envokes a natural human response to fight back which I will continue to do as I think it does more harm than good. In fact sometimes I think of you harping on when I'm riding and it makes me go faster. And I know it gives you wood to know that people think of you when riding, but not quite the same result you're hoping for eh.

Lets not take away Steves message ! Ride responsibly, each rider is responsible for their mistakes ! Ride to your limits, I DO !

I will not be responsible for those who should never be sitting apon a bike however and i fear there are many who should never go there !

**dipshit** · 28th March 2011, 20:08

Originally Posted by Katman

I don't see road bikes as 'toys'.

Same for me. I don't think of my road bike as a recreational toy like a skateboard or jet ski or motocross bike or such... but as a form of transport that needs to be taken seriously as it could take your life. More like as if owning and having light plane out in the garage.

Even though riding/flying is enjoyable.

**idb** · 28th March 2011, 20:19

I also love playing with my Claymore mine collection.

**sinfull** · 28th March 2011, 20:21

Originally Posted by dipshit

Same for me. I don't think of my road bike as a recreational toy like a skateboard or jet ski or motocross bike or such... but as a form of transport that needs to be taken seriously as it could take your life. More like as if owning and having light plane out in the garage.

Even though riding/flying is enjoyable.

But that is where we differ (ok not just there) my bikes are just for my enjoyment, i don't commute on em (god forbid) they are just toys ! My bike/s may have caused a couple of severe burns on my person, but it/they will NEVER take my life ! My own stupidity or inattention while riding it on the other hand, MAY ! (Katmans Message ? It's been a while so i may stand corrected)

**Toaster** · 28th March 2011, 20:28

Originally Posted by Usarka

Yet you still choose to ride regardless of the fact that driving a car is a safer option. Acceptable risk is not an absolute, one person can not say "this is what I choose" and expect others to do the same.

BTW - I'm almost in the same camp as you, and I don't always ride like a nana at 90kph (compared to myself but probably uber-tame compared to others), just as I go kite surfing and other "fun" risky activities even though one more knock to the head will probably = vegetable patch. I think the "message" should be risk mitigation, not risk elimination otherwise we should all hang the keys up and buy a toyota starlet.

That is what I am trying to say. It is always only mitigation, not elimination.

Because I choose to ride, there is always risk. I mitigate it as best as I can rather than let my own choices increase risk. I have a family I want to come home to, so I ride, but I ride defensively - that does not mean its always slow either. I pick my moments.