MNZ board nominations

[watchman]

I've got one too...

I realize it is a very difficult question to answer but I would appreciate an attempt at one regardless.

What is going to be your immediate plan to help give 'value for money' for the competitors currently involved in road racing events in NZ, if at all? At present the situation is such that only those that are committed 100% (or addicted and can't bring themselves to stop) get involved in road racing at National Level. Do you have a plan to encourage more racers to compete and possibly easing the burden somewhat for them?

I see in Jim Tuckermans profile he outlines how MNZ has gone in the past two years from a precarious financial position to one in which in the coming year there will be more money availible for the members.
Being i think a typical motorcyclist my immediate thought was whats in it for me, prize money perhaps at National meetings, reduced entry fees, even god forbid appearance money ,not that any one would be paying to see me ride.
did i give one thought to whether money would be better spent in other ways , of couse not , i thought how the lure of this major turn around in mnzs fortunes could benefit me.
then at the weekend i took part in conversations where it dawned on me that at times we hear what we want to and not actually what is said. a fellow rider was expounding his theory of life in the pits and got on to the subject of why riders had given up prizemoney at Nationals. turns out i was under another major misconception ,riders gave up money to pay for tv advertising radio and other media to promote whole series
not to pay for the TV programs that are made .
Having some disbelief in this i had it confirmed by a board member.the coverage is paid for by Castrol and Industry sponsers. moral of this is ask the right person to get correct answer, for road racing questions i will ask the commission they administer sport

[Kickaha]

turns out i was under another major misconception ,riders gave up money to pay for tv advertising radio and other media to promote whole series not to pay for the TV programs that are made .

It is a misconception that a large amount of people were under then, and not how I remember it being presented to us

[Wingnut]

Hmmmm vote for NZ self proclaimed biggest arsehole in Motorsport or Chris, fuck me that's a tough choice

For all you guys who cant read... The above is a quote... And is not my personal opinion.... Jesus!

Looks left..looks right....looks left...

[scrivy]

Looks left..looks right....looks left...

...........and dodges the code of conduct charge..................

[watchman]

would it be churlish andy to suggest that your current actions are more driven by the very well known to all problems you have with jim tuckerman personally rather than any deep abiding interest in all disciplines of the sport?
didnt the pair of you pull the sidecar association out of mnz and then spend months attacking the visible head of it ie the President. and if your last post is anything to go by still are?
one wonders just why producing the accounts for the club which is a requirement for all clubs was such a problem ,prove us all wrong and put them out to the public.
still we all know all is not sweetness and light in the association itself.perhaps those chairs who did support the nationals might like to air their experiences.
as an oldtimer i know jim Tuckerman was an inaurgral member of sidecars, certain lly very vocal in his support of them for years.
in fact of the lawrences for years,
you have to wonder

[watchman]

yes there is a ps
as a member of mnz aware that the president is only one of 5 and is therefore able to be outvoted on everything in board meetings i find this constant attacking of the president inconsistent, what about other 4 who may have made decisions he didnt agree with, still smacks of a personal vendetta andy or is it a case of you and chris throwing your toys out of the cot over trying to force how many meetings you would go to a few years back and finding out that love him or hate him jim tuckerman obviously doesnt give in to bullies.dont take this personally .just an observation, i would have thought if you were so concerned there would have been candidates for other positions

[prettybillie]

I have a question about what support will the new president give to the clubs. As a former club committee member, I know first hand, the clubs do a hell of a lot of work and put a hell of a lot on the line to run meetings. To run a national meeting, a club has to put on the line their complete financial well being - they cost so much money to run, and MNZ offer no support if it all goes belly up.

IMHO there needs to be much much more support for the clubs who are fostering the sport!!!!!

[scrivy]

would it be churlish andy to suggest that your current actions are more driven by the very well known to all problems you have with jim tuckerman personally rather than any deep abiding interest in all disciplines of the sport?
What would those problems be Mr Watchman? Can you elaborate to all here on KB please. I'm curious.
Also, can you use your real name, mines Andy Scrivener, I race sidecar number 51.

didnt the pair of you pull the sidecar association out of mnz and then spend months attacking the visible head of it ie the President. and if your last post is anything to go by still are?
You obviously think I have some control on NZSRA members. Actually I'm not on the committee, so can't tell or make anyone do jack shit! The NZSRA members are all intelligent individuals that can certainly make up their own minds.
I believe that there are other clubs about to walk from MNZ also. Am I a member of their clubs - NO! Do I have any control of their clubs - NO!

It is funny though Mr Watchman - that I haven't been here on KB for nearly 1 year, but as soon as I come on, you attack me. Did you also attack Kickaha and Wingnut for their views on JT in posts above - oh, that's right, you didn't. Why is that?
Pulling the NZSRA out of MNZ was the logical choice by 91% of it's members - it's called a democracy, and that's what all good clubs should abide by. Why did we go our seperate ways with MNZ? Due to the problems (you fail to mention) we all had with JT (but you need to elaborate on) - since you know all about it!

one wonders just why producing the accounts for the club which is a requirement for all clubs was such a problem ,prove us all wrong and put them out to the public.
It may be a requirement for all clubs to do so - if asked to. Just how many other clubs have ever been asked to show them? Give me a figure - not just from the top of your head either.
I spent over $10,000 of my own money promoting the TRRS in the last year alone, for no ones benefit but the riders. How Tuckerman thought I was making money from a meeting that charged the lowest entry fees was beyond belief. And you say on here that I have it in for JT - dude, if you take your head out of your @$$, you'd see it was clearly the other way around!

still we all know all is not sweetness and light in the association itself.perhaps those chairs who did support the nationals might like to air their experiences.
I'd love to hear how they feel. Can you name one member that is not happy with being in the NZSRA? Go-on, just 1 name is all I'm after. No one puts a gun to any members head and tells them to do anything. Do you think that's what happens? Why would people still join up (and more joining now than ever before), if they didn't like it, they would leave!
I love the way that you imply that it is the NZSRA's fault for the low turn-out of sidecars this year, when us NZSRA members have had a ball racing at the meetings we choose to race at.
Does it state in the motorcycle manual of sport that we must race at National level? Must every motorcross rider do the motorcross championships?
I can feel sour grapes from you dude - so it must mean you are linked to someone who's doing the stirring against the NZSRA. As I said before - us NZSRA members don't care for the bullshit and blame thats been directed at us. You have one side of the story, and we haven't stated ours to anyone, nor really care to either.

as an oldtimer i know jim Tuckerman was an inaurgral member of sidecars, certain lly very vocal in his support of them for years.
in fact of the lawrences for years,
you have to wonder

Actually, funny you say that, because he's no-where to be seen on a NZSRA founding members list.

Who JT supports in racing is his business, I support others too, I also support the Lawrances - just not when we're racing together........

Andy Scrivener

[scrivy]

To run a national meeting, a club has to put on the line their complete financial well being - they cost so much money to run, and MNZ offer no support if it all goes belly up.

IMHO there needs to be much much more support for the clubs who are fostering the sport!!!!!

Hi Leanne, did your club ever get asked to show your accounts?

[scrivy]

yes there is a ps
as a member of mnz aware that the president is only one of 5 and is therefore able to be outvoted on everything in board meetings i find this constant attacking of the president inconsistent, what about other 4 who may have made decisions he didnt agree with, still smacks of a personal vendetta
Give me some examples mate. I went to conference last year and questioned JT and the Board - so you're totally wrong there I'm afraid.

andy or is it a case of you and chris throwing your toys out of the cot over trying to force how many meetings you would go to a few years back and finding out that love him or hate him jim tuckerman obviously doesnt give in to bullies.
Again, you don't know the full story. Only 2 members out of about 15 wanted to go south for 3 rounds. All the rest of the members didn't want to, so didn't go south, simple really. I didn't even race the Nats that year, but you accuse me of throwing my toys out of my cot. You're a crack up!

dont take this personally .just an observation, i would have thought if you were so concerned there would have been candidates for other positions

Why do you assume that? Did you assume Steve Bron was determined to oust Sandra Perry when he nominated JT 2 years ago?? What was his motive back then??

[prettybillie]

Hi Leanne, did your club ever get asked to show your accounts?

Hey Scriv - I know for a fact, we were never asked to show MNZ the budget prepared for a nationals meet or the balance sheet for it. As far as I am aware we have never been asked to show any of the clubs monthly / annual accounts to MNZ.....I may be wrong though.

[watchman]

pretty billie .valid question .raises another why should the governing body bail out clubs when they dont in any other discipline .surely the clubs should be looking at new and innovative ways to make their events profitible,look at the tri -series, surely a model for other clubs to follow.
perhaps road race commissioner would like to comment

[watchman]

Looks left..looks right....looks left...

only a tough choice if you cant tell diffrence between some one who does more for sport than line his own pockets in the guise of doing it for a club , oh slap my hand am i being unkind hell no just honest

[scott411]

Hey Scriv - I know for a fact, we were never asked to show MNZ the budget prepared for a nationals meet or the balance sheet for it. As far as I am aware we have never been asked to show any of the clubs monthly / annual accounts to MNZ.....I may be wrong though.

I can tell you that the club I am involved in has only ever been asked for books for one meeting, and that was when we received funding from the FIM for an Oceania Champs,

[Bykmad]

Isnt it stunning. MNZ elections roll around again and we get some new "Alias's" appear. If anyone wants to say anything, be brave enough to put it up with your name in the text.
And just to clear things up, I am Warren New and have used "Bykmad" since late 2006.