Indicating at a Cul de Sac? (Restricted test)

[explode64]

Quick question on the restricted test.

Do you have to indicate when you turn around in a Col de dac?

cheers

[ellipsis]

...the purpose of indicating is to make other road users aware of your intentions...unless you were doing a runner from the law and fucked up...then you wouldnt indicate, 'cos they would know what your intentions were..

[Maki]

...the purpose of indicating is to make other road users aware of your intentions...unless you were doing a runner from the law and fucked up...then you wouldnt indicate, 'cos they would know what your intentions were..

Oh, really? Seems like most drivers in NZ think the purpose of indicating is to let people know what they already did... Either that, or what they plan on doing next year. I see people drive through multiple intersections with the indicator on because they intended to make a turn at the 10th one....

[slofox]

...p...then you wouldnt indicate, 'cos they would know what your intentions were..

This assumes a degree of awareness in the observers...plus a modicum of intelligence that might allow them to process what their awareness is transmitting to them...You sure it would work?

[Bassmatt]

Quick question on the restricted test.

Do you have to indicate when you turn around in a Col de dac?

cheers

Cul de Sac? - Yes.

[Maha]

To answer the question........that would be no.

[Maha]

Cul de Sac? - Yes.

To answer the question........that would be no.

Conflicting replies....one of us must be wrong?

[ellipsis]

....maybe?..

[Maki]

If you are making a U turn, crossing one lane into another you must indicate. If you are making a turn in an area inside a cul de sac (the very end) that has been enlarged for the purpose of turning around, you do not have to indicate because you are not changing any lanes. I hope that makes it clear.

[p.dath]

This is the piece of relevant law:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...html#DLM303071

(3) A driver who intends to turn or move to the right or to draw out from a kerb on the left side of the vehicle must signal for at least 3 seconds either—
(a) by means of an approved signalling device; or
(b) if an arm signal can be clearly seen from both the front and the rear of the vehicle, by extending the right arm directly outwards in a horizontal position

"Turn" is legally defined as:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regul...html#DLM302191

Turn means to change direction; but if a roadway is marked with a centre line to show the normal path of vehicles,—
(a) a vehicle must be regarded as having turned if it leaves that path to enter another roadway or driveway or joins that path from another roadway or driveway; and
(b) a vehicle following the markings must not be regarded as having turned even though an intersection occurs at a point where the markings are laid out in a curve

My thoughts would be that you are in fact not turning, as you are not leaving the left hand edge of the road (assuming the cul-de-sac is unmarked). My thoughts are that it is not "drawing out" from the curve. So on both grounds, there would be no legal requirement to indicate if you are simply going around the cul-de-sac.



On a practical note, the intention of signalling is to let other drivers know what you are doing. Don't signal if you are going to confuse other road users. If your confused, then that is probably a good indication that your going to confuse them.

[tigertim20]

Conflicting replies....one of must be wrong?

If I was following someone straight down a cul de sac, and they didnt indicate, I would expect them to go up the driveway at the end, why else would they be going down a culdesac.

At the end of a cul de sac, you have to change direction, yes? So, Id indicate, as you will be changing direction at the end of your manouver.

[Usarka]

Is this a theoretical question or in reference to a practical test?

Unless it's got an island in it.... then I'd err on the side of caution and indicate. It's bascially a U-turn imho.

[Jantar]

Legal answer: A quick rule of thumb is that you indicate when changing from one road to another, or when crossing your lane marking (including the centerline). If the cul-de-sac has a centerline all the way to the end, then indicate. Otherwise just follow the left hand curb all the way around.

Practical answer: If there is a vehicle behind you then indicate so they know your intentions.

[CookMySock]

Conflicting replies....one of must be wrong?

It doesn't matter.

I'd indicate, and I'd head-check it as well - for the purposes of the test, and for the purposes of saving my ass from some dickhead behind me who thought he'd just nip into his driveway in front of me instead of waiting.

[slofox]

It doesn't matter.

I'd indicate, and I'd head-check it as well - for the purposes of the test, and for the purposes of saving my ass from some dickhead behind me who thought he'd just nip into his driveway in front of me instead of waiting.

Perzackerly!