MNZ board nominations

[codgyoleracer]

That does sound easy and ideal!
Unfortunately, people get their licences at different times of the year, when no candidates are up for election.

Dont be such a nay sayer , obviously things would need to change to make things happen, But the concept is sound ? , Yes ?

[scrivy]

Dont be such a nay sayer , obviously things would need to change to make things happen, But the concept is sound ? , Yes ?

Not a nay sayer Glenn. But a bloody good idea if it could work.

[scott411]

Dont be such a nay sayer , obviously things would need to change to make things happen, But the concept is sound ? , Yes ?

i think the problem is that many people will not care, and will just pick a name and carry on, or you will turn it into a popularity contest rather than a talk about who would be better at the job (even worse than now)

I think the voting process needs to go back to the clubs, with the club voting on behalf of its members, with some sort of system where the clubs with more liceinced members having more votes than, (something like a vote for every 20 liceinced members).

[scrivy]

Sorry, cant find the correct post to quote it, and frankly cant be arsed spending the time to find it ..... was posted on here that Chairs have only done 2 South Island Rounds for many many years. Funny that, they did ALL Mainland Rounds for MANY MANY years before the change of heart . As one who was THERE when things changed, I know why this all started - interested to see if any of the current Pontificators are as aware as they claim to be .............
Oh, back to sidecars again........ People love us........
Peter, don't beat around the bush, give us examples. (Why can't any MNZ officals give us details???)
If you mean that the sidecars didn't do any more than 2 rounds down south from 1992-1999, then again from about 2005-2009, then I understand, and as far as I am aware this is Fact.
The Road race comissioner at one time was told that we would rather have many more chairs at fewer events down south, than have just a handful at all 3 rounds. He agreed. I believe this to be the right idea too - but it wasn't my idea at the time.
Again, unfortunately 1 individual said he could get enough chairs to put on a grid at the other round. The rest is now history.

There has been a claim that the root cause of all this character assassination and mutual masturbation is the decision by the NZSCRA to only do 2 South Island Rounds - anyone care to elaborate on the reasons why ?

Is that what you mean Peter? If not, give me more details. I will explain more given more details. I certainly cannot read minds.

Scrivy

[budda]

I think the voting process needs to go back to the clubs, with the club voting on behalf of its members, with some sort of system where the clubs with more liceinced members having more votes than, (something like a vote for every 20 liceinced members).

Bloody good job you dont get to decide then Scott !!!!!!!!!!!! As you know, this idea was roundly discussed at last years AGM - unfortunately for those shovelling this particular batch of bovine excrement, in the cold hard light of a sober day, it was seen for the steaming pile that it undoubtedly is.

I'd hazard a guess that less than 25% of those on here are active members of their own Club - certain unsavoury characters would have the numbers stacked so far out of kilter that not even the effects of whatever the hell sort of medication some on here are chocka-to-the-gunnalls with would make it all right.

ONE MAN, ONE VOTE - if you dont vote, you deserve what you get .........
I might disagree with how you vote, but I'll argue to the death for your right to BE stupid !

[Drew]

Right, I'm less fuckin informed than I was before I subscribed to this fuckin thread.

Jesus this shit makes me sick!

All this has done for me is create more questions about different shit. Seems to be a more open opinion from the Chris camp, but it aint coming directly from him. Neither is most of what's coming from the BJT camp.

If I could get my voting slip back, I'd abstain from voting and just race whenever and whatever I can.

Why either of you want anything to do with this shit is beyond me, good fuckin luck to the winner.

Drew Mair #17751

[Biggles08]

Right, I'm less fuckin informed than I was before I subscribed to this fuckin thread.

Jesus this shit makes me sick!

All this has done for me is create more questions about different shit. Seems to be a more open opinion from the Chris camp, but it aint coming directly from him. Neither is most of what's coming from the BJT camp.

If I could get my voting slip back, I'd abstain from voting and just race whenever and whatever I can.

Why either of you want anything to do with this shit is beyond me, good fuckin luck to the winner.

Drew Mair #17751

No one cares about what you think Drew

I have actually found it quite informing if you can manage to sift through all the abuse and "he said", "she said." For one, I now more understand the workings of MNZ and the roles the different people play.

[Drew]

For one, I now more understand the workings of MNZ and the roles the different people play.

That information has been freely available to you as club member since the day you joined, had you bothered to ask and look.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Drew Mair #17751

What sort of number is that? Sheesh.

[The Chow]

Finally Ian, we agree. This slagging match was going no where!
I understand your dismay with certain events - I too have alot! Were we both to blame? No!
I will defend our club, as I am passionate about it. I do not like un-informed attacks made of it by certain keyboard jockies. (And no, thats not a reference to you, and I'm not calling you that either).
Both of us have 'invested' alot of time and money into our sport. It's called giving back. You've done it, and so have I. My TRRS cost me over 400 hours a year, not to mention shit loads of money!
Do I want to see growth? HELL YES!!! Is it possible?? HELL YES!!!

And by the way, I too watched the timing, live feeds etc of the Tri-series and nats. I too was friggin impressed!!

You have undoubtedly done a massive job there Ian. I applaud you for that.

Scrivy

Scrivy all I can say is hopefully some how the whole sorry episode ends one day and we get back to common ground.

[Drew]

Can I get a phone number for each candidate please? I will compile a list of my questions, and would like to be able to have a frank conversation with both of you.

I am a loud mouth as people on here will attest, for once I'd like to speak loudly and be informed at the same time.

[BJT666]

No one cares about what you think Drew

I have actually found it quite informing if you can manage to sift through all the abuse and "he said", "she said." For one, I now more understand the workings of MNZ and the roles the different people play.

Sorry Marcus, we should care what Drew thinks, as he is a sidecar competitor and has competed in the Nationals this season.

Sorry Drew.

Here is a little more of that "He said" 'She said'.
Next time we meet you can tell who was the He and who was the She.

The tale of New Zealand Sidecar Racing

In 2009 and for several years preceding that the New Zealand Sidecar Championship ran at only four rounds of the NZ Road Race Championships. They missed the Invercargill round and began at Timaru. This came about after Chris Lawrance (The then President of the NZSRA) lobbied the then Road Race Commissioner, on the basis it was too expensive for sidecar teams to travel to Invercargill. At the same time the NZSRA were approaching the organisers of the Invercargill round (The Southland Motorcycle Club) seeking funding for accommodation to include a bar tab.

Shortly after the conclusion of the 2009 Nationals, several prominent sidecar teams returned to Timaru to compete in a combined car/bike event.
This destroyed any argument that could be put forward regarding travel being too expensive.

Then, in the run up to the 2010 New Zealand Road Race Championships it was decided that sidecars would be treated the same as every other Road Racing Class and their Championship would run over all five rounds.
Yes, the NZSRA did vote to do only four rounds, unfortunately they did not and still don’t represent all sidecar racers in New Zealand.
During the 2009 Championship there were up to 13 outfits and at least 6 outfits (46%) indicated they wished to compete at all five rounds.
There were also lengthy discussions held with the new President of the NZSRA (Burt Wolland) based around the possibility of running different levels of competition, to encourage participation.
It became very obvious that a “Have” and “Have Not” division was occurring. Those with funding to compete in the Championship and those without.

As the argument regarding costs had been waived by the sidecar competitors, when they returned to the South Is for the car meeting, the 2010 Championship proceeded
The organising Clubs included Sidecars on their entry forms; unfortunately insufficient outfits entered the second round in Invercargill. So the Club dropped the class.

Simple Fact: MNZ/Clubs put on the events and only a few came to race.

Also, it is MNZ’s understanding that several prominent members of the NZSRA campaigned to scuttle the 2010 Nationals. This was relayed to us by several sidecar competitors and we have no reason to disbelieve them.
One question we would ask is “was there any relevance to the fact that Mr Lawrance’s wedding was held on the same weekend as the Manfeild round of the Nationals.”

We then began the planning of the 2011 Castrol Power 1 New Zealand Road Race Championships.
But while attending the Hampton Downs round of the Suzuki Tri Series, we were advised that Mr Lawrance and Mr Scrivener were organising a trip to Australia for sidecars to compete at the “Barry Sheene Memorial” which just happened to clash with the last two rounds of the Nationals, if you include freight time/ travel.
During this same period, members of the NZSRA apparently voted to pull out of MNZ.
However several members of the Association question the validity of that ‘Vote’, apparently approximately 15% of the membership was not consulted.

As we understand it, this was driven by Mr Scrivener and Mr Lawrance.

The 2011 Championship kicked off in Timaru and those who came to race should be congratulated, however the momentum didn’t continue with the class being dropped from the Teretonga, Hampton Downs and Manfield rounds.

The Simple Fact is Unchanged: MNZ/Clubs put on the events and only a few came to race.



This has now brought about a very difficult situation.


The Clubs offered to run Sidecars as part of the programmes and nobody came.

Why would they consider including Sidecars in the future.



MNZ fought hard to keep the Sidecar Championship alive.

Only a few came so, why continue it.

I am at a loss as to why this is my fault. Why should sidecars be treated any differently to other New Zealand Road Race Championship classes.


For the record, I was involved when the NZSRA was formed and have been a card carrying member. I understand they are still using the little purple folded membership cards.

Regards

BJT666 - Jim Tuckerman

[Drew]

What sort of number is that? Sheesh.

I'm not 150 years old like you mate, my number was allocated in the last ten years so the number is high.

[The Chow]

No one cares about what you think Drew

I have actually found it quite informing if you can manage to sift through all the abuse and "he said", "she said." For one, I now more understand the workings of MNZ and the roles the different people play.

Mate that is the problem , to many people don't understand how it all works. Man the shit that you hear is enough make me go grey(er). Did you know I was talking to a top rider at Manfeild and he wanted to know how much TV paid MNZ for coverage? I couldn't believe it , the rider concerned had several titles and has been around the scene for years and still thought TV paid us!

Then there are all the rules and laws that now have to be obeyed outside of MNZ , there are all sorts of laws ready just to trip people up. Thats why you need good people who aren't just in it for the sport , but also understand how the system (flawed as may be) works.

Keep up the good riding mate you did a great job at Hampton.

[Drew]

Sorry Marcus, we should care what Drew thinks, as he is a sidecar competitor and has competed in the Nationals this season.

Sorry Drew.

Here is a little more of that...

Regards

BJT666 - Jim Tuckerman

Thanks Jim, very informative to hear one side of the whole story. Hearing the other side if it differs would be good.

I'm not only interested in the sidecar nationals though. The blame for them not running the North island rounds this year lays squarely on my shoulders as our entry would have completed a grid of six both times.

Here's a question for both nominees. How do you intend on tackling the apathy amongst our members? If half the members voted, or even voiced their opinion in the right forum, (that word is not restricted to the internet, it means; 1. A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged), the state of our sport could be much more easily measured.