MNZ board nominations

**wharfy** · 13th April 2011, 17:07

Originally Posted by codgyoleracer

I have a genuine question on a fundamental item:Re the low numbers of MNZ members actually taking the time to vote for MNZ positions.

How difficult is it to align voting with the timing of renewing your license. It could simply a "click through form" and as part of registering for your license you need to make a selction of your preffered candidates for the various positions.

If you dont choose one - then you cant complete the form.

Its easy peasy stuff - web site wise?

Cheers
Glen Williams #2945

While the technical side of this would be relatively easy, I have a fundamental problem with people being FORCED to vote - It is a right that ALL club members SHOULD exercise but I don't beleive they should be forced to.

Originally Posted by scott411

i think the problem is that many people will not care, and will just pick a name and carry on, or you will turn it into a popularity contest rather than a talk about who would be better at the job (even worse than now)

I think the voting process needs to go back to the clubs, with the club voting on behalf of its members, with some sort of system where the clubs with more liceinced members having more votes than, (something like a vote for every 20 liceinced members).

The problem I see with this is that clubs with large memberships could have undue influence with no easy way of checking that it is actually the will of the members. ( I suspect that most club members display the same apathy at club level that they do at national level )

Originally Posted by budda

Bloody good job you dont get to decide then Scott !!!!!!!!!!!! As you know, this idea was roundly discussed at last years AGM - unfortunately for those shovelling this particular batch of bovine excrement, in the cold hard light of a sober day, it was seen for the steaming pile that it undoubtedly is.

I'd hazard a guess that less than 25% of those on here are active members of their own Club - certain unsavoury characters would have the numbers stacked so far out of kilter that not even the effects of whatever the hell sort of medication some on here are chocka-to-the-gunnalls with would make it all right.

ONE MAN, ONE VOTE - if you dont vote, you deserve what you get .........
I might disagree with how you vote, but I'll argue to the death for your right to BE stupid !

Disregarding all the vitriol in this post, I agree with one person one vote.
However even using this system clubs can "stack" the AGM with members and/or proxy votes to push their particular agenda - but they have to do a lot more work !! and to a certain degree if you want something done get off your arse and make it happen is an OK thing.
It is particularly a risk in organizations where there is such a small number of people actually voting.

At the last election (for president) of the thousands of MNZ members only about 350 actually voted and the result was reasonably close (less than 50 votes I think) so not exactly a mandate for sweeping changes.

These numbers are not exact, I don't have them handy, but are probably in the field of play (not just the ball park) - someone with the exact figures at hand can tack them on I'm sure

So despite the very low signal-to-noise ratio in this thread it may get a few more people voting which is all good

Originally Posted by Drew

Right, I'm less fuckin informed than I was before I subscribed to this fuckin thread.

Jesus this shit makes me sick!

All this has done for me is create more questions about different shit. Seems to be a more open opinion from the Chris camp, but it aint coming directly from him. Neither is most of what's coming from the BJT camp.

If I could get my voting slip back, I'd abstain from voting and just race whenever and whatever I can.

Why either of you want anything to do with this shit is beyond me, good fuckin luck to the winner.

Drew Mair #17751

Hey Drew download a voting form and vote again for the other candidate so they cancel each other out !

If the voting auditors pick it up then both votes will be invalid = same result

**The Chow** · 13th April 2011, 17:12

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Ian, the website this year for the National rounds was excellent and long may it continue, you guys do a fantastic job!

Re the abuse I totally 100% agree it is never acceptable, however as are the stewards human, so are the riders.

When decisions are blatantly inaccurate over a period of time I can see how frustration can get the better of them. The Auckland round was interesting as it was Glen Skatchel I believe that specifically asked the question in the morning at riders briefing about what would happen if the race was declared wet (as it was in the morning) but it started to dry up throughout the day. We were told that it was riders choice and no allowance for tire changes were going to be given again. Then they did exactly that!

Anyway, sorry for digressing again... good question and I await the answers from Jim and Chris.

Mate , great to see you taking an interest. Yes I know that the whole sorry episode was a classic muck up at Hampton and riders and pit crew get stressed , but there are processes that you can appeal/protest decisions. I can handle seeing riders throw tantrams but when an experience steward is called a C**T in front of people by a member of riders pitcrew that is not acceptable in my book.

Riders need to know that officials have to try and make the right call , sometimes they get it right sometimes they don't. The abuse is not acceptable.

**scott411** · 13th April 2011, 17:54

Originally Posted by wharfy

At the last election (for president) of the thousands of MNZ members only about 350 actually voted and the result was reasonably close (less than 50 votes I think) so not exactly a mandate for sweeping changes.

These numbers are not exact, I don't have them handy, but are probably in the field of play (not just the ball park) - someone with the exact figures at hand can tack them on I'm sure

you were very close, 349 Votes,

President is Mr Jim Tuckermann -186 votes to 129

There were 34 invalid votes

source

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...f_91st_AGM.pdf

you have a point with clubs being able to stack the deck somewhat, but i think it would be able to be kept in check alot easier than the proxy system now, no club has a huge majority of members, i think last time we got complete numbers (which was 08 report) i think the biggest club (Pukekohe) had about 232 licienced members, with southland having one less,

at the moment it is not that hard to turn up with 50-80 proxy's and control the election, which i do not think it is right,

link to 08 report
http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2008_Annual_Report.pdf

**jellywrestler** · 13th April 2011, 18:11

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

I have to say though, watching his mechanic win a race against top teams at Hampton Downs due to this was quality entertainment!!

Twas a handicapped race though Steve...

**Biggles08** · 13th April 2011, 18:12

Originally Posted by The Chow

Mate , great to see you taking an interest. Yes I know that the whole sorry episode was a classic muck up at Hampton and riders and pit crew get stressed , but there are processes that you can appeal/protest decisions. I can handle seeing riders throw tantrams but when an experience steward is called a C**T in front of people by a member of riders pitcrew that is not acceptable in my book.

Riders need to know that officials have to try and make the right call , sometimes they get it right sometimes they don't. The abuse is not acceptable.

I agree, that is unacceptable and I too would take offense at that sort of language / attitude. It is never ok.

I do think however it is pulling one incident out of a pool of many problems and slapping a 'red flag' on it as more important than other problems. The whole issue needs to be addressed, slashed out, possibly agreed to disagree and both riders and officials need to somehow put the shit behind us and work towards ensuring that this path is never begun to be trampled down again. It has to never be seen as 'us and them' if we are ever going to move forward.

**scott411** · 13th April 2011, 18:13

opps, found the 09 report as well,

http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2009_Annual_Report.pdf

**jellywrestler** · 13th April 2011, 18:14

Originally Posted by scrivy

Or we could have 10,000 website jockies saying we should race electric bikes. Where would that put us

Tripping over lots of fucking extension leads I reckon

**Drew** · 13th April 2011, 18:16

Originally Posted by Biggles08

I agree, that is unacceptable and I too would take offense at that sort of language / attitude. It is never ok.

Hey Marcus, you're a c@nt!

**Crasherfromwayback** · 13th April 2011, 18:17

Originally Posted by Biggles08

I agree, that is unacceptable and I too would take offense at that sort of language / attitude. It is never ok.
.

Sheesh. They need to harden up. I get talked to like that quite often in my job...

**Kevin G** · 13th April 2011, 18:17

Originally Posted by scott411

you were very close, 349 Votes,

President is Mr Jim Tuckermann -186 votes to 129

There were 34 invalid votes

source

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...f_91st_AGM.pdf

you have a point with clubs being able to stack the deck somewhat, but i think it would be able to be kept in check alot easier than the proxy system now, no club has a huge majority of members, i think last time we got complete numbers (which was 08 report) i think the biggest club (Pukekohe) had about 232 licienced members, with southland having one less,

at the moment it is not that hard to turn up with 50-80 proxy's and control the election, which i do not think it is right,

link to 08 report
http://www.mnz.co.nz/download/2008_Annual_Report.pdf

Hi Scott.
Proxy votes cannot be used for the election of officers, they can only be used to vote on items at the AGM.