MNZ board nominations

**Shaun** · 17th April 2011, 08:19

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Well I'm of the extremely high opinion of myself (I should just end this post here eh?) that I can pick people pretty well on first impressions Billy...and so far in my short time on this planet my strike rate would be above 95% correct

However, whilst I do appreciate all the work that has been done in the past with MNZ and the motorcycling industry as a whole, sometimes people who have been involved for a long period in any organization tend to become a little 'shuttered' in their viewpoints and fresh opinions that are unbiased from years of in house bickering can have some positive outcomes. Like me or not, maybe keep your mind open to the possibility that some points i make may in fact have some merit

I respect your High Opinion of yourself Marcus, so PLEASE keep posting what you THINK, you have said some very sound things I believe

NOTHING PERSONELL BILLY

I just like to occasionally read some thing Positive and constructive on here, and he does come out with them.

**Kickaha** · 17th April 2011, 08:40

Originally Posted by Deano

I've heard several stories about so called pro twin bikes now. Very disappointing.

If anybody is that sure about it they should be putting a protest in if all they are going to do is "tell stories" you'll never know whether they were legal or not

**jellywrestler** · 17th April 2011, 08:47

Originally Posted by scracha

Listen buddy

Hey Clown,
don't call me Buddy thanks, last time someone did that my arse hurt for four days following, and I smelt of red wine when I woke up.

**Deano** · 17th April 2011, 08:47

Originally Posted by Kickaha

If anybody is that sure about it they should be putting a protest in if all they are going to do is "tell stories" you'll never know whether they were legal or not

The sources are pretty reliable (all were the owners, one of which did the modification) but who really wants to protest ? Protesters are hated as much as cheats aren't they lol ?

Wouldn't a few simple objective checks for the podium getters be useful ?

Do MA do any checks or rely on protests alone ?

**lostinflyz** · 17th April 2011, 08:47

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Chris Lawrance has already stated his plans to address this by:

Listening to the current National Level competitors and getting our input into how we see things.

Everyones got different opinions and 'wants'. What happens if theres a situation like the side car fiasco with plenty of different opinions, will he promote ceasing nats as side cars have?
reducing competitor costs via various methods (possible control tire, less rounds, limited practice time prior to each round etc (to reduce the gap between factory teams vs privateers)

outside the control tyre issue everything else i disagree with. Alot of people practice year round, there is no practical way to control that, and any short term control is aimless. And reducing rounds i'm 110% against. I show up to race with the top guys at the best time of year on as many tracks as possible. Im not particularly interested in club racing as the competition is not there. Not that i wont show up its just my focus is on trying to play with the best
Focusing on Increasing crowds and competitor numbers at each round to reduce entry fees (as he clearly has had experience with in TRRS)

Is reducing entry fees really the best use of any profits you may generate from increasing numbers, given the financial trouble some clubs (up north mainly) have running nats meets. I'd be ok seeing entry fees rise at meets to help nats run bigger and better

I am interested to hear Jim Tuckermans ideas on this issue too.

Just providing the dissenting opinion, but i guarantee i'm not the only one. who do you listen to?

**Kickaha** · 17th April 2011, 09:04

Originally Posted by some slow Kwaka rider

[*]reducing competitor costs via various methods (possible control tire, less rounds, limited practice time prior to each round etc (to reduce the gap between factory teams vs privateers)

I don't think that is a practical option, it just means some people will spend more money doing more club rounds at different circuits during the year or if there is no practice for the week before nationals they'll arrive two weeks before

Originally Posted by Deano

The sources are pretty reliable (all were the owners, one of which did the modification)

Did you tell him he's a cheating fuck and should be embarrassed to even turn up with a bike that isn't legal for the class he's running in?

**Deano** · 17th April 2011, 09:11

Originally Posted by Kickaha

I don't think that is a practical option, it just means some people will spend more money doing more club rounds at different circuits during the year or if there is no practice for the week before nationals they'll arrive two weeks before

Did you tell him he's a cheating fuck and should be embarrassed to even turn up with a bike that isn't legal for the class he's running in?

hey the first comment isn't my quote bro.

he did the mod to see how his bike would compare in straight line speed to another bike that he suspected of cheating. it still didn't.

he was quicker than me when it was stock so didn't really bother me too much at the time - but yeah all cheating is cheating

**Shaun** · 17th April 2011, 09:14

Originally Posted by Deano

hey the first comment isn't my quote bro.

he did the mod to see how his bike would compare in straight line speed to another bike that he suspected of cheating. it still didn't.

he was quicker than me when it was stock so didn't really bother me too much at the time - but yeah all cheating is cheating

Did this person take into consideration WEIGHT difference between him and this other riders bike, also did he honestly compare who was whacking the throttle open where/when and how much

# Sorry, wrong thread, I was supposed to abuse some one, CHOW< where are ya TOSSER

**jellywrestler** · 17th April 2011, 09:15

Originally Posted by scracha

I make NO, ZERO, ZILCH apologies for that post.

OK Scracha.
That Post.

By you own admission in your race report the place got the better of you that day, and you chose not to ride later on in the day, that's your call, the streets can be a daunting place.
But to go on the web and broadcast a list of bitches right down to expecting them to babysit you for things like petrol supplies water and power etc (when a simple ask around would've come up with a fair amount of those) was just mean spirited.
Some of them were valid points, but very few.
MNZ have an opening for comments and discussions and more often than that you there's no need to go straight to the president there's the road race commission for one etc.
Everybody wants more this and more that, how many sit down and take the time to write in and not only say they want these; but come up with suggestions on how this could be implemented?
Sweet FA I'm thinking.

I've been in this game for 30 plus years, haven't raced a bike for the last half of those but have still attended 80% of the nationals in the last 15 years and always seem to end up with some sort of job to do there too, and when I come away from a meeting I'm satisfied that I contributed to it in some way.

It seems quite simple that cost and time aside a lot of riders simply don't want to do the Nationals. They're happy to do the club meets it's in their comfort zone.
They're a big fish in a small sea rather than the other way around.

As for value for money for the spectators, the racing has this season, and for the last few, been pretty damn good. The gate price in this day and age has been fair (what other entertainment do you get for 6+ hours for twenty bucks).
TV coverage ain't that simple, for a lot of years there was none.

**Shaun** · 17th April 2011, 09:18

Kickaha ( Dave) are you coming up to the Chairs " Have a go day" and the NZSRA AGM in Taupo this month mate, ya don;t actually need a swinger to attend this one dude

And I would have trusted ya for Manfield if asked hahaha

MISTAKE, Sorry WARRICK!!!!

**Wingnut** · 17th April 2011, 09:29

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Its a chicken / egg scenario. In other words, you are saying "Fix the club level and the Nats will follow" whereas I firmly believe the opposite is required. "Fix the Nats and the club level will improve as racers have a clear goal to aim for...to compete against the best of the best".

Nope Marcus - once again this is your opinion. I believe there are many club guys who participate purly out of enjoyment and have little more interest than being a weekend club racer. At best they may attend the local Nat event and run in clubmans or perhaps a national class for that one round.

Many have a family and financial/work commitments that completely rule out the option of being able to committ to training/practise/obtaining sponsership etc not to mention the financial side of buying a late model bike and being competitive at a National level - regardless of their ability.

So in a nut shell - if you make changes to the Nationals (Fucks me what) yes it may increase numbers somewhat but there is still the fundamental issue that not everyone wants to be part of that scene - yet they pay just as much as all the nationals riders to be part of an orgainsation that seems to be lack focus at the club level (From what I have read on here) Please correct me if this isn't the case. Shit My club membership is around 1/3rd of the MNZ membership fee and I really have no idea what does MNZ does for me????

Although I totally admire and somewhat evny you guys that are able to make the commitment to compete at that level - The "not interested in the nationals club racers" should have a right to ask of what benefits/changes may come their way if a particular candidate is nominated, yes?

**Biggles08** · 17th April 2011, 09:33

Originally Posted by lostinflyz

Just providing the dissenting opinion, but i guarantee i'm not the only one. who do you listen to?

All fair points lostinflyz...and I'm not going to necessarily disagree with much of what you said. I too would still like 4-5 rounds at the Nats, but this was not my point, rather I was expressing ideas that Chris has put forward as 'food for thought' and I think the key is the first point I made...he wants to 'listen' and discuss ideas with NZSBK riders to understand what the majority want to see. That's the democratic way.

**jellywrestler** · 17th April 2011, 09:44

DEANO
you did your first National points meeting at
Manfeild after many 'club' days.
I'd be interested to hear from you what made you take that step up?

**Wingnut** · 17th April 2011, 09:44

Originally Posted by lostinflyz

whats wrong with club racing as it is that is something MNZ can fix/help????

MNZ issue a permit, train the stewards and thats about it for their involvment? Clubs take on the responsibility for running the show after that as far as i am aware.

Agreed Tim, but the fact remains that they too pay a yearly fee and the majority of all the discussions on here have been somewhat based on where changes can be made to either the Nationals or Sidecars (excluding all the personal slagging)

**Biggles08** · 17th April 2011, 09:46