MNZ board nominations

[Billy]

By "competitors" you mean across the board whether they are currently racing Nationals or not?

Damn,Thats a curly one,While I guess it really only affects those intending to attend the National rounds,How would that be policed?That shouldnt rule out other licence having a say as its an MNZ championship and they are members as well,Of course if you factor in that most MNZ members dont bother too vote and there are those calling for input at the AGM from National entrants only!

I guess on that basis it would be based on the request from anybody that raced at a National round in the previous Championship,Support class or otherwise.

Fuck I'm glad its not my decision too make cause which everway it went you'd upset somebody

[scrivy]

Is it not true also that Warren and Trevor made themselves available again almost immediately afterwards(Only to resign again after the Hampton Downs round of the Nationals earlier this year)?

Why did they resign again Billy?
Due to.......??

Nothing along the lines that a change to the rules re: wet races was requested, but not actioned by the commisionor at the time? Which lead to a shambles............

[jasonu]

...Some are set Wanganui = boxing day Greymouth=Labour weekend but others could be negotiable if everyone knew in advance when other clubs had planned things. Some tracks are harder to get meeting dates for than others so are less flexible...

Fixed it for ya.

[scrivy]

The best advice I could offer you would be to have a good think about the sport and the current administration and how detrimental it has been to the sport.

Then look at what the other candidate Chris Lawrance has to offer:
Honesty,
Respectability,
Non-aggressive manner,
Communication,
Approachable,
No enemies,
For all facets of our sport,
Non biased,
No hidden agendas,
Transparency,
Never denied access to a race meeting,
Never banned from MNZ offices,
No double standards,
No conflicts of interest,
No fabrication of profitability.

Then I guess you need to factor in that being President of MNZ is not just about roadracing or dealing with competitors and clubs, its a much larger job than most of us realise. And the incumbant must have no anger management issues either.

Do you think both candidates can go the distance? Jim can't tick all the boxes above, whereas Chris already has!

That's my sermon for this Sunday.

(I said sermon Spyda.................. and I was never an alterboy)

[Drew]

Damn,Thats a curly one,While I guess it really only affects those intending to attend the National rounds,How would that be policed?That shouldnt rule out other licence having a say as its an MNZ championship and they are members as well,Of course if you factor in that most MNZ members dont bother too vote and there are those calling for input at the AGM from National entrants only!

I guess on that basis it would be based on the request from anybody that raced at a National round in the previous Championship,Support class or otherwise.

Fuck I'm glad its not my decision too make cause which everway it went you'd upset somebody

Constitution states that if you're a member, you get to vote on any issue. So to say that only competitors at a national level had a say requires a constitution change. That'd be fuckin near impossible to do without anyone who disagreed being able to appeal and stop the whole process.

So the curly decision is already made, and anyone bitching about it could be politely shown the door should they have an issue.

[Billy]

And we should all blame Chris Lawrance for this personally I guess...

Like I have said Billy, good to see you supporting Jim Tuckerman so well and he should be happy to have you in his camp...however once again you seem to want to look at this whole election from one side...much the same way that scrivy is.

Not at all Marcus,

I dont blame Chris solely for anything,However if a similar circumstance were too arise around your class would you just stand back and let it happen or do something about it,My guess from your posts on here(And youve made some bloody good and positive suggestions)is that you'd jump in boots and all to try and rectify things,Am I right???

Yes,Im right behind the current administration as I think they have made a reasonable job of moving the sport forward and I for one would like to see them given another term to further improve the sport,I reiterate,I have no personal qualm with Chris Lawrance,I just dont think he has the right people behind him as Jim does.

Heres the thing mate,The administration previous had rendered the organisation stagnant,Jim was elected and made some big changes,Some of the previous admin had appeared too have run out of drive and were being steeredby what appeared from the outside to be a overly dominant CEO,A ceo it turned out according to a management specialist we apparently didnt need,Some of those previous have been a huge part of MNZ and its predecessor the NZACU,In fact Sandra Perry (immediate past president)basically ran the NZACU singlehandedly and her Husband Murray (MO) Perry was the best MNZ steward I had the pleasure of working with as roadrace convener for MOMCC during the mid nineties and I was sorry too see them go.

If Chris were too be elected President,I would be only too happy to work with him so long as he was moving the sport forward.

Im not completely satisfied with EVERYTHING done by the current admin either,But I am satisfied we are atleast moving forward and there are some bloody good people on board.

[Billy]

Why did they resign again Billy?
Due to.......??

Nothing along the lines that a change to the rules re: wet races was requested, but not actioned by the commisionor at the time? Which lead to a shambles............

I have absolutely no idea why they re-resigned,If however the abovementioned is fact then I dont blame them too a point as the whole wet race issue is a dogs breakfast that was introduced by a previous admin following the tragic demise of the late Chris Dawes and simply introduced to cove the officials butts with little thought for the competitors,

However I fail too see how resigning will rectify the issue,Different strokes for different folks I guess

[Billy]

The best advice I could offer you would be to have a good think about the sport and the current administration and how detrimental it has been to the sport.

Then look at what the other candidate Chris Lawrance has to offer:
Honesty,
Respectability,
Non-aggressive manner,
Communication,
Approachable,
No enemies,
For all facets of our sport,
Non biased,
No hidden agendas,
Transparency,
No double standards,
No conflicts of interest,
No fabrication of profitability.

Then I guess you need to factor in that being President of MNZ is not just about roadracing or dealing with competitors and clubs, its a much larger job than most of us realise. And the incumbant must have no anger management issues either.

Do you think both candidates can go the distance? Jim can't tick all the boxes above, whereas Chris already has!

That's my sermon for this Sunday.

(I said sermon Spyda.................. and I was never an alterboy)

There you go Tony and anybody else interested,Up too you now.

Might not hurt if both Jim and Chris could respond just too confirm the information in both my own and Scrivys posts is correct.

[scott411]

well i made my mind up today, Chris turned up to the Pukekohe MC club MX today, and after giving his thoughts at briefing, told us since we was here he might as well do something, and did the finish flag all day, while members could come up and ask him things,

box ticked, thanks for the help Chris,

[SWERVE]

Did this person take into consideration WEIGHT difference between him and this other riders bike, also did he honestly compare who was whacking the throttle open where/when and how much



# Sorry, wrong thread, I was supposed to abuse some one, CHOW< where are ya TOSSER

Dont often agree with you Shaun But i think i know who this is aimed at and you are totally correct.
We were blown away by a certain persons performance at the nats...... and to start with doubted their integrity However after watching their riding VERY closely during the nats (particually at levels) all thoughts of their integrity were re-instaited.
Obviously had been working on his riding and stratagy very hard during the season and by the look of him been training hard too.
Having some very experienced advisors certainly paid off also.
So early on the gas at the sweeper leading onto the straight at levels in was scary.
Congratulations from a thoroughly outclassed fellow pro twin team

[scrivy]

FARK!!!

Nearly 50 pages...................................

[Pussy]

My .05c worth...

Chris Lawrance's integrity is beyond question.
He is definitely one of life's good bastards

[Paul Searancke]

well i made my mind up today, Chris turned up to the Pukekohe MC club MX today, and after giving his thoughts at briefing, told us since we was here he might as well do something, and did the finish flag all day, while members could come up and ask him things,

box ticked, thanks for the help Chris,

Well done,
We need more officials at meetings. Today in Motueka there were 3 Commissioners, Jim Henderson(Trials Commissioner), Peter Ramage(Road race Commissioner) and myself ( Recreation/Leisure Commissioner) and MNZ life member Bob Cooke at a round of the South Island Trials Championships. One of the smallest parts of our sport but well supported from above. The President, Jim Tuckerman and Stewards Commissioner Del Morgan spent their Saturday delivering an Officials training day in Auckland. This is not unusual, lots of activity but most of it under the radar.

Paul Searancke

[Biggles08]

Not at all Marcus,

I dont blame Chris solely for anything,However if a similar circumstance were too arise around your class would you just stand back and let it happen or do something about it,My guess from your posts on here(And youve made some bloody good and positive suggestions)is that you'd jump in boots and all to try and rectify things,Am I right???

Yes,Im right behind the current administration as I think they have made a reasonable job of moving the sport forward and I for one would like to see them given another term to further improve the sport,I reiterate,I have no personal qualm with Chris Lawrance,I just dont think he has the right people behind him as Jim does.

Heres the thing mate,The administration previous had rendered the organisation stagnant,Jim was elected and made some big changes,Some of the previous admin had appeared too have run out of drive and were being steeredby what appeared from the outside to be a overly dominant CEO,A ceo it turned out according to a management specialist we apparently didnt need,Some of those previous have been a huge part of MNZ and its predecessor the NZACU,In fact Sandra Perry (immediate past president)basically ran the NZACU singlehandedly and her Husband Murray (MO) Perry was the best MNZ steward I had the pleasure of working with as roadrace convener for MOMCC during the mid nineties and I was sorry too see them go.

If Chris were too be elected President,I would be only too happy to work with him so long as he was moving the sport forward.

Im not completely satisfied with EVERYTHING done by the current admin either,But I am satisfied we are atleast moving forward and there are some bloody good people on board.

There is no question in my mind that the MNZ body has gone forward over the last two years Billy, but to be fair all that was needed was a big swooping knife to cut out the cancer that was holding the sport back (make of that as you will). From where I am looking at it now, I'm wondering and to be honest, doubt full if that same 'knife' is able to listen to the members from this point forward to continue the momentum. What is required now is some good ol consultation with MANY people over the direction going forward...no one person should choose the direction alone.

[Deano]

But i think i know who this is aimed at and you are totally correct.

no it was not aimed at js actually