Eleven Billion

[Smifffy]

Bloody hell what a read!
I spent a year flipping burgers at the local McD's before I decided on what uni course/career I'd like to do. Then After I had worked out what course I'd like to do, I had to go through a selection process in order to get in.
Now I have a student loan with an extra $2k on it than I would like and growing thanks to illness causing me to fail/drop a few papers and the inability of me to find even part time work in this shitty little economy we have.

Simple matter of fact, getting the loan is the easiest part of study. You then need to bust your nuts in studying not pissing around at the pub or dicking around with mates and then once you have made it through the 3+ years of studentism you get to attempt to find a job in the current job market. Most of my mates are still applying for jobs as some people have explained, employers want experience not a piece of paper. Yet how the frick is anyone going to get experience if they can't get a job in the first place????

Don't get me started on the waste of time courses... Maori Media @ AUT is one that grinds me off to no end. Kids coming in at 18, dicking around because they are on Maori scholarships then dropping out because they never had a hope in hell of passing in the first place but reap the rewards of ethnicity for a good year or so while they work it out!

So thank you very much, I will take my interest free student loan, with course related costs, course fees and a Student "living costs" (which you can barely live off), and I will pay it back in my own fucking time unless someone gives me a winning lotto ticket in the near future.
/rant over

*I'm studying towards a BCS at AUT working towards a major in Radio. An industry not known for being well paid until you have worked your ass off for a few years doing the shit jobs. I am willing to put myself through this because I want a career, not a job that I will hate after 6months.

Radio? Right. We been screaming out for them for fuckin' years now. I know for a fact that the GM at my work goes round and round every day saying "If only we had somebody that really knew radio, we'd be able to bust our way out of this recession and really make a difference."

So English/kiwi radio is so much more relevant than Maori radio eh? I never knew that.

[matdaymon]

Was thinking more along the lines of the dropkicks who come in during the first year, start the papers then leave the rest of us hanging in group assignments by giving up and not showing up. Sorry should have been more clear and not been so discriminatory sounding my bad.

NZ has a bucket full of useless degrees. And yes, I would say there is a bigger more relevant market for English speaking Radio/media degrees than there is for Maori. You've got a very small market for ethnic media which doesn't support the numbers of students entering into the system.

I agree with those who say it needs to be harder to get into uni. Would solve some of the student loan problem as there would be a higher chance of people passing.

[Smifffy]

Was thinking more along the lines of the dropkicks who come in during the first year, start the papers then leave the rest of us hanging in group assignments by giving up and not showing up. Sorry should have been more clear and not been so discriminatory sounding my bad.

NZ has a bucket full of useless degrees. And yes, I would say there is a bigger more relevant market for English speaking Radio/media degrees than there is for Maori. You've got a very small market for ethnic media which doesn't support the numbers of students entering into the system.

I agree with those who say it needs to be harder to get into uni. Would solve some of the student loan problem as there would be a higher chance of people passing.

Ok, IMO media studies graduates, whether Maori, English, Russian or Vogon, belong on Douglas Adam's spaceship B.

Even if you are going to be the next Rick Dees, or Walton and Johnson,
then you don't really need a tax payer loan.

[Brian d marge]

if they do asian studies , Im up for another 40k

they better be good for that price , only $100 us here

Stephen

[superman]

sorry man...........but i seriously doubt the kids i see nowdays at 13 would get by in life,unless they had a pimp or a milf,i agree in a perfect world education should do as you say and i never said anything about lowering access for people to education as such.......but at 18 you are an adult,you make the choice to accept an interest free loan from the taxpayer to further your career and make the big bucks so why cant you return the favour to the taxpayer later in the equation with an interest free loan??

You hardly have any good career options without university. To say that that should be paid by the student is ridiculous. What about all those from lower income areas, how are they ever going to afford tertiary even if they want to progress, instead they'll sit copying their parents becoming dole bludgers or low paid leaning on shovel workers.

The fact they call it a loan in the first place is stupid, do you expect all the baby boomers to pay back their free tertiary education?

The universities lead the country with research and education, and to say it's something you should pay for yourself at full 100% price is saying that the country doesn't care at all whether you further your education from where it stops at high school. Good message to send across to NZ's already under educated lot.

[Bald Eagle]

There are a lot of us out here with steady jobs, homes, wives, and kids without the benefit of a university education, contributing to society are we not valuable.

[marty]

its great over here , good money , dont have to work to hard . Health care good . Pension good
House only 30 % of me income ,,,,,

beer cheap and strong , ciggies only a few pennies and a short boat ride I can get me one ofg these Attachment 237409

yours in the one with an extra bit

Stephen

SO here, after studying hard and not getting a SL (the SL I do have is not in my direct field of work.... ), I earn pretty good $$, have a world class health plan, my house costs me <10% of my net (combined) income, and frankly, asian girls just don't do it for me...

I'm pretty happy

[trustme]

Your most valuable asset is the ability to earn a living

You don't value the things you get for free.

My son is a flying instructor, his SL is horrendous. however he thinks the tightening up will be good, he will no longer have to waste his time on drop kicks who will never make the grade as long as their arse points down.

Superman ;- there are a hell of a lot of career opportunities that don't require uni, & some of them pay pretty damn well, hired a sparkie or a plumber lately

[Indiana_Jones]

Superman ;- there are a hell of a lot of career opportunities that don't require uni, & some of them pay pretty damn well, hired a sparkie or a plumber lately

I'm with TM on this one.

Most kids at school today have the uni stuff rammed down their throats and think they have no choice but to go if they want any hope in life at all.

Some people are just not made for uni really, myself one of them, and prefer trades and technical jobs. Sure a lot of those jobs need training, but a lot is on job and at technical college.

It just seems like kids are being told it's a bad thing to get your hands dirty or going to tech is for dumb arses...

-Indy

[steve_t]

I'm with TM on this one.

Most kids at school today have the uni stuff rammed down their throats and think they have no choice but to go if they want any hope in life at all.

Some people are just not made for uni really, myself one of them, and prefer trades and technical jobs. Sure a lot of those jobs need training, but a lot is on job and at technical college.

It just seems like kids are being told it's a bad thing to get your hands dirty or going to tech is for dumb arses...

-Indy

+1 If I was doing it all again, I'd be a sparky or plumber

[avgas]

It just seems like kids are being told it's a bad thing to get your hands dirty or going to tech is for dumb arses...

Yes and No.
There is "working with your hands to earn coin" and "breaking your back"
I fear that most of the families whom are in the latter category see Uni as a way out of the cycle for their kids.

[Indiana_Jones]

Yes and No.
There is "working with your hands to earn coin" and "breaking your back"
I fear that most of the families whom are in the latter category see Uni as a way out of the cycle for their kids.

Fair call, I was refering to the former. Not talking about ditch digging or holding up the stop/go sign.

-Indy

[steve_t]

Fair call, I was refering to the former. Not talking about ditch digging or holding up the stop/go sign.

-Indy

Back in the 90's, my flatmate was the stop/go girl at roadworks. She was on $22 an hour!! Apparently, the job's quite dangerous...
I was on $7.60 an hour at pizza hut

[Indiana_Jones]

Back in the 90's, my flatmate was the stop/go girl at roadworks. She was on $22 an hour!! Apparently, the job's quite dangerous...
I was on $7.60 an hour at pizza hut

Luxury!, when I was working at Cuntdown in the mid early 2000s I was on $6.80 an hour!

Oh we used to dream of living in a corridor!

-Indy

[short-circuit]

SO here, after studying hard and not getting a SL (the SL I do have is not in my direct field of work.... ), I earn pretty good $$, have a world class health plan, my house costs me <10% of my net (combined) income, and frankly, asian girls just don't do it for me...

I'm pretty happy

That's nice for you - would harzard a guess that those kinds of employment opportunities (not requiring tertiary training) are pretty rare