Another victory in the war on P. May there be many more victories like this!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some of you people need to meet people addicted to P when they are coming down off a bender. Only then you might grow up a bit. Without a doubt, you may change your mind as they try to kill you.

A number of murders, including child killings over the last decade have been caused by offenders high on P. Still want to encourage making this shit readily available like alcohol?

Alcohol also has a major impact on crime, but it can be used responsibly by the majority of the public. P never allows its users that luxury. It just sucks them in and destroys their lives and the lives of those around them.


Drug users are simply fools and drug dealers are scum.

I have, and you're correct...they're as dangerous as all fuck!


'P' is already readily avail Cam...you know that being ex police. It's here now, and it's here to stay. Best thing in my opinion is to take the control of it away from the gangs etc. Hell...I don't think you should give it away at your local dairy!! But you're never gonna wipe it out, just like they've never been able to wipe out smack, coke, acid or pot let alone MDMA etc. And as far as violent crimes go...bet you'd find alcohol is the number one drug behind rapes.

What happened when they banned BZP based party pills? People imported and moved onto other substances. Or got hold of 'E' and or 'P' etc more than likely sourced from gangs.

Your last bit I can agree with half of it.

[short-circuit]

Sadly, not exclusively. The news reports what happened, though, and most of the time it appears youth are the culprits esp. in road accidents and stolen cars under the definite influence of alcohol and lots of it.

http://ndp.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagescm/7752/$File/alcohol-factsheets.pdf

http://www.alcohol.org.nz/NZStatisti...PostingID=1187

http://www.ahw.org.nz/resources/pdf/...ce_F_Sheet.pdf

Published in '02 but still relevant and you may start from p6.
http://www.aphru.ac.nz/projects/publicSpaces.pdf

I would suggest that the "youth problem" with alcohol (and other substances) is a sensationalist angle that sells well as it appeals to the bulk of media consumers (the older majority of the adult population). Substance abuse is a social problem that manifests across age and socio-economic spectrums:

http://www.alcoholaction.co.nz/Myths

And as far as the causes of alcohol related fatalities - age or experience? This study actually suggests a period exposure to the drug (alcohol) before being handed the keys:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Dri...059050242.html

[sidd]

terrible taste in shoes, frankly.

[Edbear]

the attitude towards alcohol is changing....slowly

Yeah and guess what generation is responsible for this

So what is your attitude, short-circuit and what are you doing to change the attitudes towards alcohol?

The "sensationalism" as you like to call it, is caused by the very high numbers of youth who are clogging up the courts, jail-cells, hospitals and cemetaries...

[98tls]

I would suggest that the "youth problem" with alcohol (and other substances) is a sensationalist angle that sells well as it appeals to the bulk of media consumers (the older majority of the adult population). Substance abuse is a social problem that manifests across age and socio-economic spectrums:

http://www.alcoholaction.co.nz/Myths

And as far as the causes of alcohol related fatalities - age or experience? This study actually suggests a period exposure to the drug (alcohol) before being handed the keys:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Dri...059050242.html

I would suggest you could find a "study" on anything with a "finding" to suit whatever opinion suits at the time.I am an older member of the adult population and cheers but i dont need a "study" to tell me whats before my bloody eyesJesus this is typical of the interweb and i guess the world today,fuck whats going on around ya theres a "study" been done that says its not so.

[Edbear]

Some of you people need to meet people addicted to P when they are coming down off a bender. Only then you might grow up a bit. Without a doubt, you may change your mind as they try to kill you.

A number of murders, including child killings over the last decade have been caused by offenders high on P. Still want to encourage making this shit readily available like alcohol?

Alcohol also has a major impact on crime, but it can be used responsibly by the majority of the public. P never allows its users that luxury. It just sucks them in and destroys their lives and the lives of those around them.

There is NOTHING good about methanphetamine. There is good reason why supplying this terrible Class A drug carries a life sentence.

Drug users are simply fools and drug dealers are scum.

As I said, maybe more need to accompany the Police on patrol. Easy to be armchair critics, until you are personally affected, of course.

Having a few Cops and ex-Cops as friends and neighbours is a bit of an eye-opener.

[98tls]

As I said, maybe more need to accompany the Police on patrol. Easy to be armchair critics, until you are personally affected, of course.

Having a few Cops and ex-Cops as friends and neighbours is a bit of an eye-opener.

Ed shuddup,theres a study that says there wrongAlways think of my old ladys comment when reading these threads,she works at a 111 call center and awhile back said to me "if anyone doubts the true state of this country they should spend Thursday thru to Sunday evening here".

[short-circuit]

I am an older member of the adult population and cheers but i dont need a "study" to tell me whats before my bloody eyes

So am I but I'm not gullible enough to accept popular opinion (based on media hype) as gospel. If attributing all societal ills (including substance abuse) onto the "youth of today" and having it reinforced on Kiwibitcher by the misinformed makes you feel better - then why rock the boat eh?

[scumdog]

Funnily enough ive seen the same thing happen when Joe Middleage buys a Harley,married and seemingly happy one day next thing its tassled up,apehangers and booze hag on the back

Hey, stuff you, I resemble that remark!

[Headbanger]

As I said, maybe more need to accompany the Police on patrol. Easy to be armchair critics, until you are personally affected, of course.

Having a few Cops and ex-Cops as friends and neighbours is a bit of an eye-opener.

Well, if anyone is going to get a completely skewed view of society its the cops. (and of course prison guards)

Its why so many of em are fucktards, of course the job attracts fucktards to start with.

[scumdog]

Well, if anyone is going to get a completely skewed view of society its the cops. (and of course prison guards)

Its why so many of em are fucktards, of course the job attracts fucktards to start with.

Yup, only a fucktard would want to deal with all that shit in society eh...

[Smifffy]

So what is your attitude, short-circuit and what are you doing to change the attitudes towards alcohol?

The "sensationalism" as you like to call it, is caused by the very high numbers of youth who are clogging up the courts, jail-cells, hospitals and cemetaries...

A lot of the ills of the time were blamed on the 'youth' back when you were one too.

lol

[98tls]

Hey, stuff you, I resemble that remark!

Thought of you when i posted it mate,be sure and tell your better 1/2 shes the best lookin booze hag ever,bar none.

[98tls]

Well, if anyone is going to get a completely skewed view of society its the cops. (and of course prison guards)

Its why so many of em are fucktards, of course the job attracts fucktards to start with.

Bit like saying if anyones going to get a completely skewed view of motorcycling its Triumph riders (and of course Harley riders) blah blah blah Jesus H,maybe your right.

[98tls]

So am I but I'm not gullible enough to accept popular opinion (based on media hype) as gospel. If attributing all societal ills (including substance abuse) onto the "youth of today" and having it reinforced on Kiwibitcher by the misinformed makes you feel better - then why rock the boat eh?

Give you that one,nicely put to.