A miner issue

[oldrider]

John - Peter Whittle himself has said the Pike River mine could never have been open-cast. The coal is too deep. The fact it was developed as an underground mine has little or nothing to do with conservationists or greenies.

Its worth knowing 29 miners also died in a Virginia mine in April 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/us...tvirginia.html Mining is still dangerous even with our advanced technology.

Try to raise your mind beyond Peter Whittle and open cast, there is more than one way to skin a cat but any access was denied without question by the attitude of the Green and conservationist movements of this country FFS, they are inflexible because they are convinced that they hold the high moral ground! (like LYCRA clad cyclists)

Look at what happened when the government suggested we (NZ) reconsider the wealth that lays within our National parks etc! (Frigging mass hysteria)

[98tls]

Try to raise your mind beyond Peter Whittle and open cast, there is more than one way to skin a cat but any access was denied without question by the attitude of the Green and conservationist movements of this country FFS, they are inflexible because they are convinced that they hold the high moral ground! (like LYCRA clad cyclists)

Look at what happened when the government suggested we (NZ) reconsider the wealth that lays within our National parks etc! (Frigging mass hysteria)

Dont worry John we will here much of them soon when they oppose the mining consent on the Denniston Plateau.

[cold comfort]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/us/07westvirginia.html[/url] Mining is still dangerous even with our advanced technology.

Dangerous for sure-quoting from "Superfreakonomics" which I'm reading presently. apparently more than 100,000 coal miners died in the last century with est 200,000 extra from "black lung' disease. Average of 36/yr now in the US, and 3,000 EACH year in China! They certainly cop the externality of our collective energy use despite the pay.

[Banditbandit]

Try to raise your mind beyond Peter Whittle and open cast, there is more than one way to skin a cat but any access was denied without question by the attitude of the Green and conservationist movements of this country FFS, they are inflexible because they are convinced that they hold the high moral ground! (like LYCRA clad cyclists)

Look at what happened when the government suggested we (NZ) reconsider the wealth that lays within our National parks etc! (Frigging mass hysteria)

At the risk of getting hammered ..

Have you ever considered that you might be in the minority opinionin this country? And that democracy allows the conservationists the upper hand because they are the majority?

I'm not talking about Greens or their actual supporters - but the number of New Zealanders who do not want to see the bush destroyed by mining ?

[oldrider]

At the risk of getting hammered ..

Have you ever considered that you might be in the minority opinionin this country? And that democracy allows the conservationists the upper hand because they are the majority?

I'm not talking about Greens or their actual supporters - but the number of New Zealanders who do not want to see the bush destroyed by mining ?

Why should you expect to be hammered?

We all have our own reasoning and opinions, yes, I am aware and have considered the points you make above!

I just see a different point of balance between the now and the future, if that means I am in the minority, so be it, it doesn't mean I am wrong!

Seems to work OK for Hone Harawira, sure doesn't phase me!

[98tls]

At the risk of getting hammered ..

Have you ever considered that you might be in the minority opinionin this country? And that democracy allows the conservationists the upper hand because they are the majority?

I'm not talking about Greens or their actual supporters - but the number of New Zealanders who do not want to see the bush destroyed by mining ?

Whats majority got to do with anything in this country especially when it comes to anything involving handsMinorities and democracy seems to equate to handouts of some nature,democracy my arse.give me a break.

[doc]

Case closed.

[White trash]

.....being told to stand back until it's guarunteed tha it's safe.......

Sometimes, risks need to be taken. I think this is one of those times. I can not bear to imagine the rescue team finally getting the go ahead on Thursday, only to find 29 dehydrated bodies huddled around a ruptured ventilation pipe that's been blowing in clean air for them to breath, two days too late.

Not saying everyone on site or making the decisions doesn't have the very best of intentions, I'm simply wondering if they're not being overly cautious.

If it was my son down there, I'd be the very first picking up the equipment required and moving. Anyone standing in my path would cop a Glock. I can't believe the restraint shown by the families thus far. They're far more reasonable than I.

Hmmmmmmmmmm...............

[98tls]

Ive a copy of a book (amongst others) titled "unspent energy" The history of Dobson and Wallsend Collieries 1876-1968,many first hand accounts in there of what happened then and what should have happened at Pike River.Havent learnt much really have we.Bloody tragic and no doubt the more they delve the more tragic it will be.

[mashman]

"Police have confirmed fuzzy images taken from a borehole in February are likely to be of a fully clothed person lying face down in the mine, but say further analysis of the video is required.

Family spokesman Bernie Monk says the families were told of the news last night. He says there's also some evidence that one of the rescue boxes in the mine had been opened between the first and second explosions."

To a certain extent i hope the above isn't the case.

[JimO]

the box could have been opened before the blast or by it

[98tls]

the box could have been opened before the blast or by it

Course it could but nothing changes the fact that 2 came out alive.

[JimO]

yea but they were at the open end of the mine not down the buisness end

[98tls]

yea but they were at the open end of the mine not down the buisness end

Agreed but so what?At the end of the day despite the fact there were blokes willing to go in there nothing was done,would they have died trying,would they have found survivors blah blah blah i dunno we never will but of one thing i am sure and that is that doing nothing acheives nothing eh.No doubt the family members of those that died and mines rescue blokes have more in common than the loss of those miners and that would be the sour taste of doing nothing.

[pete376403]

I believe the old wisdom, probably gathered from years of mine explosions and rescue attempts, was that the safest time (it there is such a thing) to stage a rescue and go into a mine was right after an explosion, as at that time most of the gases would have been burnt off. I think the fact that is took quite a few days before the second explosion may well show that this was true.