Increase the CC bracket for rego to "0->650cc"

[FJRider]

Horse power versus CC rating?

It is NOT one or the other ... The smaller cc bikes get their horsepower by spinning the engines over at 18,000 odd RPM. The mid range (600 and thereabouts) develop a little more torque ... but dont spin the engines over nearly as fast .... well some do ...

So ... those 27 HP Hyo 250's ... at around redline .. may well develop near that ... but if the rev's are down ... so is the HP ....

AND the drop off rate of HP is quite QUICK ... THEY DO NOT DEVELOP THEIR HP THROUGHOUT THE REV RANGE ...

The bit that MOST forget ... claimed (max) HP is usually around red-line ... but if the rev's drop off ... SO DOES THE HP. At a very steep rate ...

Of course big CCs will be bigger danger

Not ALWAYS ... and often ... not AT ALL ...

[miloking]

It seems so unfair, I have two 500cc cylinders but I only use one at a time

Well i have four 250cc cylinders and ...guess what only use one at the time as well. Hmm maybe if you take out one of your spark plugs you can go for the under 600cc rego perhaps?

[MSTRS:Me]

as much as i dont agree with the rise in levvies a mate recently crashed his duc, 1 helicopter ride, operation to put a bigarsed pin in his leg, nearly 2 weeks in hospital, couple of months physio and at least 6 months getting $1200 a week (80% of wages) from ACC, he has been riding bikes for many years but i doubt he has paid 5% of his injury costs to acc via levvies

Careful! Talk of that sort of thing is likely to have other bikers up in arms about how their levies are subsidising this chap....

[yungatart]

as much as i dont agree with the rise in levvies a mate recently crashed his duc, 1 helicopter ride, operation to put a bigarsed pin in his leg, nearly 2 weeks in hospital, couple of months physio and at least 6 months getting $1200 a week (80% of wages) from ACC, he has been riding bikes for many years but i doubt he has paid 5% of his injury costs to acc via levvies

The part of this guys rehab that is so expensive is his ongoing weekly compensation.
I know people who earn not much more than $1200 per MONTH, who are paying through the nose to license their 750. Hardly fair, given the huge discrepancy in wages, eh?
It also gives the lie to big bike owners being wealthy too.
The whole thing is a farce and still makes my blood boil.

[GPXchick]

Ho much was it before the price hikes came in. As i have only been riding since Feb. I bought my first rego last week. $211.00 for 6 months. Can anyone tell me what i would have paid before. I really don't find this price to steep. As i have not missed putting the $150 per week gas in my holden. My bikes $33 can get close to 490 km's. I'm sure the cost of rego compared to the gas i was spending will be GREAT.

[MSTRS:Me]

The part of this guys rehab that is so expensive is his ongoing weekly compensation.
I know people who earn not much more than $1200 per MONTH, who are paying through the nose to license their 750. Hardly fair, given the huge discrepancy in wages, eh?
It also gives the lie to big bike owners being wealthy too.
The whole thing is a farce and still makes my blood boil.

Indeed.
This is the bit that most just don't seem to understand, when it comes to the split in levies based on engine size.

What we know is that there are far more crashes and moderate injuries on 250cc bikes than any other engine size. Stands to reason, since many/most of them will be relatively inexperienced riders, prone to cocking up more, are ridden in town/commuting and/or have not ridden long enough to develop that 'spidey sense'. We can also be reasonably certain that the riders of these smaller bikes do not have high incomes.
The next category (up to 600cc), is probably concentrated on the 'step-up' brigade...got their 6F and want more some power. These guys are a little older and likely earn more.
Over 600cc (includes all those Sporties + Fatboy Harleys that the professional-types playing at being badboys are attracted to) are ridden by longterm 6F holders, who are older and much more likely to be on higher than average incomes, and tend to account for the more serious injuries/deaths because they primarily occur at open road speeds.
I'm generalising a little, but the principle is sound.
The problem is, as YT said, if you earn more, earnings compensation is higher too. The farce comes in at this point...ACC's 4 separate funds.
Everyone pays $2 per $100 of income - this covers earnings compensation for injuries that occur outside of work - fair enough, earn more = pay more
UNLESS those injuries are a result of a road vehicle crash. In which case, payment comes out of the motor fund.
ACC get to have their cake and icing too. And we get ripped off.

[MSTRS:Me]

Ho much was it before the price hikes came in. As i have only been riding since Feb. I bought my first rego last week. $211.00 for 6 months. Can anyone tell me what i would have paid before. I really don't find this price to steep. As i have not missed putting the $150 per week gas in my holden. My bikes $33 can get close to 490 km's. I'm sure the cost of rego compared to the gas i was spending will be GREAT.

Category Was: Will be:
Mopeds (up to 49/50cc) 58.97 129.24
Motorcycles (50 to 600cc 252.69 327.70
Motorcycles (600+cc) 252.69 426.92

(Vintage – over 40 years old 58.97 69.46)

Yes, you save heaps on gas, so that more than offsets things. BUT you could've saved gas by changing to a Corolla and paid the same rego as your Holden.

[FROSTY:Me]

but guys they just don't care. And frankly with it being an election year and national being a shoe in they have no reason to care.
Now if some brightspark could actually work out a way to give them reason to care enough to pay attention we would be onto something.

[Usarka]

sniper rifle

[JimO]

The part of this guys rehab that is so expensive is his ongoing weekly compensation.
I know people who earn not much more than $1200 per MONTH, who are paying through the nose to license their 750. Hardly fair, given the huge discrepancy in wages, eh?
It also gives the lie to big bike owners being wealthy too.
The whole thing is a farce and still makes my blood boil.

na that comes to around 29k, his operation and hospital costs would have cost twice that i bet, his income was high as he works at a gold mine and had been putting in big hours. Funnily enough the ducati he had owned less than a year insurance paid out for a bike, helmet, jacket, boots,pants (around 17k) and his premium was around $600

[MSTRS:Me]

na that comes to around 29k, his operation and hospital costs would have cost twice that i bet, his income was high as he works at a gold mine and had been putting in big hours. Funnily enough the ducati he had owned less than a year insurance paid out for a bike, helmet, jacket, boots,pants (around 17k) and his premium was around $600

Did you miss her point? Your mate was on about $75,000pa and paid $600ish on his rego. YT's acquaintance is on about $15,000pa and pays the same $600 on their bike. Since their earnings compo is paid from the motor fund, where's the parity?

[Swoop]

where's the parity?

Asking for parity, sense, intelligence or fairness from public servant’s or politicians is crazy-talk.

[JimO]

Did you miss her point? Your mate was on about $75,000pa and paid $600ish on his rego. YT's acquaintance is on about $15,000pa and pays the same $600 on their bike. Since their earnings compo is paid from the motor fund, where's the parity?

agreed but my point was that the 600ish his rego cost was a drop in the bucket compared to what he has cost acc

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was thinking about this for a while. About how we should include 650cc bikes and less in the less expensive rego bracket. Because people who own bikes like the Hyosung GT650, Mom's Bandit, and the SV650, are being screwed by ACC and their rego costs, when their bikes have less horsies than the big 600cc I4 down the street.
Seriously....Its not like 50cc difference is the difference between life or death or anything like that.

That, or we could scrap the whole "CC" based rego system, and move onto a ~hp based one, where 0~60hp is one bracket, 60~120hp is the medium cost bracket, and 120hp onwards is the most expensive bracket.

This way, people with the most high cc, but low power bikes, don't get screwed over by the incompetence that we call ACC

Because it seems to me that there are alot of high cc supersport bikes on tardme recently, all under the same heading of rider "lost control"

Opinions anyone?

Not sure if this is a repost or anything though... My limited brain couldn't find anything on it though

that is the beginning of a good idea. Here's what I think is another: why have any banding at all? why not tax (and thats what a levy is) it according to use. Yep. at the pump.

I can perhaps see some justification (if the statistics support it) for a banding for something like small capacity vs large capacity: 125 and under one price, 126 and up another, but the current system is SO unfair, so unethical, such a blatant ripoff that it should, in my view, be done away with, and a fair system, based on the original Woodhouse report principles, instituted in its place.

/soapbox off.

[James Deuce]

agreed but my point was that the 600ish his rego cost was a drop in the bucket compared to what he has cost acc

So you'd rather throw badly injured people on the scrapheap then? Never forget that ACC is a profitable business that is one of the biggest investors in other large NZ businesses.

I can't believe you'd pick an "mate's" individual issue to try and demonstrate some imagined flaw in the ACC system. There isn't one that can't immediately be rendered minor by simply looking across the ditch at Australia's medical system. Go a bit further afield and the US system should put the utter shits up you. But no. You'd rather whinge about what your "mate" cost to fix. You qualify for that care and would get it if you need it. Horse people cost more to fix each on average than motorcyclists. The bill for Mountain Bikers is growing ever bigger, and DIYers are now estimated to cost ACC 750 million a year (up from 560 million 2 years ago) and you still can't understand that the average non-motorcyclist DIYer/home accident simply doesn't come close the level of contribution motorcyclists are forced to pay and yet qualifies for the same level of support?

Despite all this imagined "drain" on the taxpayer, ACC is STILL profitable as was repeatedly demonstrated by larger brains than mine including Government experts. Just not the politicians trying (and succeeding by looks of your rigidly deluded posts) to paint of picture of a destitute insurance business (which ACC has never ever been) needing to be sold in National's great state asset fire sale announced in this year's budget.

Where's the motorcycle protest group press releases yelling "We told you there was a master plan!"?

Hmmm?