General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[bogan]

A question that springs to mind is, does it take one? As in, will it take an accident to completely change a riders attitude of 'it won't happen to me' etc. Ideally it shouldn't, but it did in my case. Perhaps a large attitude change (avoidable accident intolerance) among exerienced riders would go a long way to making new riders start out with the right attitude.
Another question that springs to mind, is one enough? Do people have avoidable accidents in which they don't learn from, or only learn to avoid that specifc accident type rather than an attitude rethink, then have a few more.

Perhaps some middle ground is needed between the 'you fucked it up you retard' and 'oh well, at least you're ok' reactions, how about a 'gutted, may as well make the bes of a bad thing and learn what you can do to ensure it doesn't happen again'

oh, and to bring it back to the OP a bit, no you can't just tell other people to do it for you unless you are a very very lightweight pillion

[avgas]

How can you have too much fun..?

When you run out of places to get skin grafts from.
When your bones creak more than the wardrobe.
or when ACC start financial crippling you

[Ender EnZed]

I don't read any accident thread indicating the rider was riding without care and attention.

There's your problem. Try reading the accident threads.

[yod]

We need to develop an attitude of intolerance towards avoidable accidents.

Really? So what, exactly, does that mean? We ostracise anyone who ever has an accident that was remotely avoidable? Take their bike away?

Seriously, how the hell do you effect an "intolerance towards avoidable accidents".

[ducatilover]

I had an avoidable accident, broke a few bits and bobs too learned from it, slowed down and focused on being smooth and enjoying myself.
This thread looks very potentially fun, so, to troll, accidents are satans fault and bears don't shit in the woods.

[Edbear]

There's your problem. Try reading the accident threads.

Don't you love the English language?

[ducatilover]

Really? So what, exactly, does that mean? We ostracise anyone who ever has an accident that was remotely avoidable? Take their bike away?

Seriously, how the hell do you effect an "intolerance towards avoidable accidents".

See you must realise the human mind is perfect, mistakes are not tolerable at all, gas them all.

[yod]

accidents are satans fault

What rubbish. Anyone with half a clue knows they're caused by the Big Gay Elf in the sky, punishing us for tolerating avoidable accidents.

[Katman]

See you must realise the human mind is perfect,

Maybe not perfect, but it's certainly capable of way more than most people ever bother to ask of it.

[marie_speeds]

Seriously, how the hell do you effect an "intolerance towards avoidable accidents".

Same way you do with drink driving or cigarette smoking.....that's working isn't it?

[Eyegasm]

Can't wait for the day Katman fucks himself up on a bike! - Am I wrong in saying that? I do not wish people to crash, but am finding after some of the stuff he has said I really do not fucking care if he does... I'll still poke him with a stick.

[oneofsix]

Don't you love the English language?

fear dues Ed, he did shorten your original sentence.
Lot of people post about their crashes to get advice on them. Some over look what they did wrong but I don't think the first move of hitting them over the head with a 4x2 gets the point across. Talk nicely to them first and if they still don't get the point the n grab the 4x2. Also on KB you have to be sure you are answering the OPs issues and not some Chinese whisper that has occurred along the way.
If you scare people away from posting the stories on KB then the newbies don't get to learn from those posts.

[bogan]

accidents are satans fault and bears don't shit in the woods.

Satan commands the bears to smear their super lubricating (on account of all the blood they eat) crap in unavoidable accident spot on our highways! It all makes sense now. Our bears are obviously expert at hiding, aussies ones ambush drop from trees, so it follows ours would be even more sneaky.

[Bald Eagle]

If you scare people away from posting the stories on KB then the newbies don't get to learn from those posts.

... and we miss out on some great humour.

[ducatilover]

What rubbish. Anyone with half a clue knows they're caused by the Big Gay Elf in the sky, punishing us for tolerating avoidable accidents.

Oh, so I have been wrong all these years? Explains why I crashed in '05!

Maybe not perfect, but it's certainly capable of way more than most people ever bother to ask of it.

Come on, I wanted a bigger bite.

Same way you do with drink driving or cigarette smoking.....that's working isn't it?

Raise taxes and enforce small penalties for DIC? They already raised the rego, has that stopped crashes?