General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

**ducatilover** · 2nd May 2011, 14:45

Originally Posted by Katman

Here's another one........

Park yourself up in the proximity of any motorcycle racing event and at the end of the day you'll see plenty of them.

Sound familiar?

that one surprises me, it's true with car and bike events often. Idiots thrashing bikes on cold motor/box/clutch/brakes/tyres and same for cars.
It won't be fixed.

**MSTRS:Me** · 2nd May 2011, 14:50

There is a story in Napier concerning a bloke that wrote off 4 bikes in a single year. What his injuries were, I couldn't say, but every crash he had was a result of too much speed for the conditions. The story insists he was proud of his record.
Who wants to be like that guy? Apart from surviving, that is...

**Katman** · 2nd May 2011, 14:51

Originally Posted by ducatilover

It won't be fixed.

A large part of fixing a problem is recognising that the problem exists.

**oneofsix** · 2nd May 2011, 14:51

Originally Posted by MSTRS

There is a story in Napier concerning a bloke that wrote off 4 bikes in a single year. What his injuries were, I couldn't say, but every crash he had was a result of too much speed for the conditions. The story insists he was proud of his record.
Who wants to be like that guy? Apart from surviving, that is...

Now that guy deserves a special Katman bollocking.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2011, 14:52

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Thing is, it's not only the 'reckless' ones having accidents is it.

That's also my point. Accidents happen to all for many different reasons. Sure, we can all learn from them, and hopefully we all do. But the contention arises when people imply that all accidents are avoidable. Was mine? Was Katie's, was Terbang's? In theory, no doubt, even mine was, but in practice, in reality, probably not.

The one's who ride recklessly, usually kill themselves, it's the careful who most often get injured and live. Not 100%, but generally true.

**ducatilover** · 2nd May 2011, 14:59

Originally Posted by Katman

A large part of fixing a problem is recognising that the problem exists.

I see it much like the "boy race" problem, it's been around for such a long time and it won't change, unless someone has a brilliant idea? I would like to see this fixed, rider and driver awareness raised, too many people die.

**Katman** · 2nd May 2011, 15:00

Originally Posted by Edbear

The one's who ride recklessly, usually kill themselves, it's the careful who most often get injured and live. Not 100%, but generally true.

Bollocks.

The reckless very often live to cost the country a small fortune.

The truly careful don't actually have that many accidents.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2011, 15:07

Originally Posted by Katman

Bollocks.

The reckless very often live to cost the country a small fortune.

The truly careful don't actually have that many accidents.

"Bollocks"? Be nice!

I said I was speaking generally and as such there will be examples of exactly the opposite. I am one of the very careful and I've cost the country a small fortune! So's Katie, so's Terbang.

And as you point out, the TRULY careful, do have accidents. Sure, not many, I've only had one in 40 years, Terbang and Katie? How many?

In fact, how many careful riders here have had an accident? How many reckless riders?

Could we have a show of hands?

**oneofsix** · 2nd May 2011, 15:17

Originally Posted by Edbear

"Bollocks"? Be nice!

I said I was speaking generally and as such there will be examples of exactly the opposite. I am one of the very careful and I've cost the country a small fortune! So's Katie, so's Terbang.

And as you point out, the TRULY careful, do have accidents. Sure, not many, I've only had one in 40 years, Terbang and Katie? How many?

In fact, how many careful riders here have had an accident? How many reckless riders?

Could we have a show of hands?

0 reckless riders because we are all careful riders, by our own definitions.
But I do know what you mean and reading the post you can tell if the rider has been stupid, reckless or unlucky. Katie, we still don't really know what happened on the day but we do know from post by and about her that she is usually careful. Yourself Ed, I don't know as I haven't read your story but seeing your general posting I don't imagine you were reckless.
From what I have seen on other posts, not accident related, is that when the rider is posting something stupid they get told.

**Edbear** · 2nd May 2011, 15:24

Originally Posted by oneofsix

0 reckless riders because we are all careful riders, by our own definitions.
But I do know what you mean and reading the post you can tell if the rider has been stupid, reckless or unlucky. Katie, we still don't really know what happened on the day but we do know from post by and about her that she is usually careful. Yourself Ed, I don't know as I haven't read your story but seeing your general posting I don't imagine you were reckless.
From what I have seen on other posts, not accident related, is that when the rider is posting something stupid they get told.

I've got a thread started by Maha, "Edbear in hospital", updated it today.

Yup! It's usually obvious, either by admission or the wording, whether it was a genuine accident or due to a lack of care and attention, and those one's usually agree when told they were silly.

**Katman** · 2nd May 2011, 15:27

So what about 'inattentive'?

Not as bad as 'reckless' but certainly none the less culpable.

**oneofsix** · 2nd May 2011, 15:35

Originally Posted by Katman

So what about 'inattentive'?

Not as bad as 'reckless' but certainly none the less culpable.

but there is more room for hairsplitting there and room to discuss why the inattention occurred and learn from it. for instance was the inattention due to a distraction that any normal human will react to, like the two cops that rammed each other at the intersection, I think that has been put down to distraction.