General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[MSTRS:Me]

no to both. We can't remove the appeal to the idiots nor remove the government ammunition. There are idiots in all walks of life, even sensible people can do idiotic things therefore it can't be done.

Yep. Bu just think...if somehow idiots could be convinced that doing shit on bikes will kill them, they will take to cars instead. Then they will have an 18x (govt stats ) better chance of surviving their fuckups .
BUT how many bikers will get caught in their crossfire?
See - biking is dangerous and should be banned.

[oneofsix]

Yep. Bu just think...if somehow idiots could be convinced that doing shit on bikes will kill them, they will take to cars instead. Then they will have an 18x (govt stats ) better chance of surviving their fuckups .
BUT how many bikers will get caught in their crossfire?
See - biking is dangerous and should be banned.

So being a man of your word your bike and gear are now for sale?

[marie_speeds]

Really? So what, exactly, does that mean? We ostracise anyone who ever has an accident that was remotely avoidable? Take their bike away?

Seriously, how the hell do you effect an "intolerance towards avoidable accidents".

Same way you do with drink driving or cigarette smoking.....that's working isn't it?

You're kidding right?

DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE, ok I won't drink and then drive.
DON'T SMOKE, ok I won't smoke.

DON"T HAVE AN ACCIDENT, ok I'll ride perfectly and never have an accident; not exactly realistic is it?

That's the thing with accidents; they're accidental.

That sarcasm of mine went straight over the top of you....
Everyone knows...don't drink and drive, cigarettes will kill you....Multimillion dollar campaigns by the Govt to get those messages out and is it working? Absolutely not! The same goes for driver/rider behaviour. We all know the rules, we all know what we should and shouldn't be doing but there are a select few out there who choose to ignore the rules, who choose to endanger not only their lives but the lives of others on the road. What does it take to make this behaviour stop? Most likely an accident that will make them pull their heads out of their arses, same as being diagnosed with lung cancer will make a smoker quit.

[oneofsix]

That sarcasm of mine went straight over the top of you....
Everyone knows...don't drink and drive, cigarettes will kill you....Multimillion dollar campaigns by the Govt to get those messages out and is it working? Absolutely not! The same goes for driver/rider behaviour. We all know the rules, we all know what we should and shouldn't be doing but there are a select few out there who choose to ignore the rules, who choose to endanger not only their lives but the lives of others on the road. What does it take to make this behaviour stop? Most likely an accident that will make them pull their heads out of their arses, same as being diagnosed with lung cancer will make a smoker quit.

Given the attitude to drink driving and ciggies when I was young and before these campaigns started to what it is now, yes there are some hardcore drongoes still out there but most of the population has got the message and changed there attitude. To be realistic there will be the few that continue and this is why I disgree with further lowering the alcohol limits its targeting the wrong people.

[MSTRS:Me]

So being a man of your word your bike and gear are now for sale?

Wash your filthy mouth out....

[marie_speeds]

Given the attitude to drink driving and ciggies when I was young and before these campaigns started to what it is now, yes there are some hardcore drongoes still out there but most of the population has got the message and changed there attitude. To be realistic there will be the few that continue and this is why I disgree with further lowering the alcohol limits its targeting the wrong people.

Most of the adult population you mean have gotten the message....but sadly the younger ones are still taking the habit up at a phenomenal rate, just as the younger ones are still continuing to drink drive. And just as many young riders are also taking risks. I got hit up at the mall last week by a group of 13 year olds who asked me to buy ciggies and booze. After I finally stopped laughing, I steadfastly told them to fak off and go ask their parents. One's reply is that my mum knows and doesn't care what I do

[MSTRS:Me]

Maybe it all boils down to being honest with ourselves. Own the fuckup if and when you've honestly analysed the cause/s and determined what you could have done differently, which would have altered the outcome favourably.

I saw a little gem in a book I'm reading atm...it goes -

Thinking is hard work. Which is why a lot of people don't bother.

[MSTRS:Me]

Most of the adult population you mean have gotten the message....but sadly the younger ones are still taking the habit up at a phenomenal rate, just as the younger ones are still continuing to drink drive. And just as many young riders are also taking risks.

Re drink/drive...
The local paper prints the court outcomes of DD offences, along with the names/ages etc
Last night's copy showed the split at roughly half being under 30, three quarters being under 45 and all of them being under 100 (funny that).
But what is the reason for the age split? Older ones not doing because they've learned their lesson, grown up, never did, or those that did are locked up or dead?

[marie_speeds]

Thinking is hard work. Which is why a lot of people don't bother.

A word to the wise is useless, it's the stupid ones who need it the most....

[marie_speeds]

Re drink/drive...
The local paper prints the court outcomes of DD offences, along with the names/ages etc
Last night's copy showed the split at roughly half being under 30, three quarters being under 45 and all of them being under 100 (funny that).
But what is the reason for the age split? Older ones not doing because they've learned their lesson, grown up, never did, or those that did are locked up or dead?

Most likely all of the above....but perhaps a justification for insurance premiums. Let's tar everyone under 30 with the same brush

[MSTRS:Me]

Most likely all of the above....

We could also step into the twilight zone. Think (ha!) about it - apparently more people exist right now then all those who went before. Even with an aging population, that must mean that there are way more young/er ones than old/er. So obviously, they are going to show up more in the figures.

[marie_speeds]

We could also step into the twilight zone. Think (ha!) about it - apparently more people exist right now then all those who went before. Even with an aging population, that must mean that there are way more young/er ones than old/er. So obviously, they are going to show up more in the figures.

I thought that there were less of us young ones and the govt is taxing the hell out of us to pay for all the oldies...

[Spearfish]

this is where hindsight can be a real bastard, or real fun, depending on which side of the fence you sit.
Did you have your foot on the brake so your brake light still shone?
Were you watching your mirrors so you saw the other vehicle coming?
Did you have an escape route planned? being as you were at the front I guess not as the only escape route would have been to encroach on the intersection, i.e. run the red.
See - hindsight fun. Not much serious help though and even worse if I had delivered it in an accusing fashion.

I asked all the same questions of myself in the post-mortem we go through after the event, I did enough that time to avoid injury or damage including keeping the brake lights flashing.. escape option etc..even had a fluro vest on (obscured by a backpack though)

Your right about delivery, its the same for the question. If its not worded as accurately as a barister in court it can have some unintentional responses.<-----even that could!!

[avgas]

The truly careful don't actually have that many accidents.

Sure they do. I crash into them

[avgas]

Re drink/drive...
The local paper prints the court outcomes of DD offences, along with the names/ages etc
Last night's copy showed the split at roughly half being under 30, three quarters being under 45 and all of them being under 100 (funny that).
But what is the reason for the age split? Older ones not doing because they've learned their lesson, grown up, never did, or those that did are locked up or dead?

Bloody scary that people over 45 aren't grown up enough to know when they are too pissed to drive.
Its like 5 year olds not knowing how to count to five really.

I mean if you have had say 25+ years to train yourself not to get pissed and drive home. Darwins law goes out the window a bit.