9/11 conspiracy debate

[Jantar]

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Experienced airline pilots could NOT hit the buildings unless they slowed down to almost landing speeds. But of course you believe that Osamas minions with no large aircraft flight experience hit those buildings at speeds outside the performance envelope of the aircraft...
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Well, as we have seen the aircraft hit the buildings at cruising speed, and experienced airline pilots couldn't do it, how did it happen?

[Usarka]

There was some spooky shit with the London bombings.

An ex-senior scotland yard anti-terrorist guy had a private company dealing with terrorist threats for companies. On the very same day they were running a rehearsal excercise for a company in which the same tube stations were bombed. Obviously they were well placed to react quickly to the bombings and minimise casualties.

Watch the article. I originally heard this on a BBC interview - they pulled it from their website very shortly afterwards and it was no where to be found until Al Jazeera replayed it.

[Dadpole]

Like I said, some will believe whatever they are wanted to believe. It has been proven time and time again...

And it has also been proven that some believe in fairies in the bottom of the garden. Their reason for lack of any evidence can only be explained by a conspiracy by the "Authorities"

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Well, as we have seen the aircraft hit the buildings at cruising speed, and experienced airline pilots couldn't do it, how did it happen?

Remote control...??? damn aliems I tells yah

[oneofsix]

Well, as we have seen the aircraft hit the buildings at cruising speed, and experienced airline pilots couldn't do it, how did it happen?

This statement jars. Since when do experienced pilots aim planes at civilian buildings? I've seen footage of missiles and bombs being aimed at and hitting much smaller buildings during war and whilst the aimer was in an aircraft avoiding attack so why would you think that some one who was dedicated to their mission wouldn't be able to aim a plan at a building at cruising speed? You can see they didn't get it perfect as they were still turning, adjusting, when they hit. There is even reports that the first one hit too high for where they were meant to hit.
And don't forget the plane the crashed in the field. What is the conspiracy theory on that one?

[jonbuoy]

With respect to the capability of the aircraft and pilots, don't take my word for it, listen to some real pilots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHLiMl7u8R0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm58c...eature=related

Experienced airline pilots could NOT hit the buildings unless they slowed down to almost landing speeds. But of course you believe that Osamas minions with no large aircraft flight experience hit those buildings at speeds outside the performance envelope of the aircraft...

Like I said, some will believe whatever they are wanted to believe. It has been proven time and time again...

I´m surprised pilots have said that - I wouldn´t say they were small targets to hit.

[jonbuoy]

I´ll be this guy could:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjGJx...eature=related

[BoristheBiter]

"These claims are news to me. Do you have a reference?"

There are plenty out there if you want to find them. If you care about the truth, find it for yourself. You won't believe me or my references anyway and neither should you, any more than you believe the official nonsense being circulated about 911...
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This is the typical answer from anyone that just believes dumb shit.

Put up or shut up.

I have flown planes quite a few times, mostly all Cessna's, and can't say i have had any problem putting them where i want to go. Its a matter of scale, the bigger the plane the longer it takes to maneuver.
If you line up from miles out like these did there are only a few changes needed.
So if pilots are saying this can't be done I want to know who they are so i can choose not to let someone, that clearly can't fly a plane, fly.

So you carry on being a sheep and believe that the US killed thousands of their own people just so they could invade another country go right ahead, put your tinfoil hat, hide in the cupboard and wait for Dem aliens

[MSTRS:Me]

Well, as we have seen the aircraft hit the buildings at cruising speed, and experienced airline pilots couldn't do it, how did it happen?

Experienced drivers in manual cars can't, or find it extremely difficult, to make them 'bunny hop'...

[Edbear]

This is the typical answer from anyone that just believes dumb shit.

Put up or shut up.

I have flown planes quite a few times, mostly all Cessna's, and can't say i have had any problem putting them where i want to go. Its a matter of scale, the bigger the plane the longer it takes to maneuver.
If you line up from miles out like these did there are only a few changes needed.
So if pilots are saying this can't be done I want to know who they are so i can choose not to let someone, that clearly can't fly a plane, fly.

So you carry on being a sheep and believe that the US killed thousands of their own people just so they could invade another country go right ahead, put your tinfoil hat, hide in the cupboard and wait for Dem aliens

As it was, one of them nearly missed completely, you can see how hard he was turning, (for a large plane that would equate almost to a handbrake slide), to actually hit the building at all. The first one got it square on and you can see from the flight path, he had it well lined up from a long way back.

The one that hit the Pentagon wasn't dead accurate either although he may have hit the gorund deliberately, these plane are not Cessna's let alone helicopters and small movements/adjustments just don't happen.

What people need to remember is that "evidence" put up by conspiracy theorists is designed to convince people they are right and can hardly be objective. The explanation above about why the buildings collapsed as they did is not only correct but too obvious for some to see.

We may never know for sure exactly how much the Governmental agencies did know and the same is true about the killing of Osama, but there was no deliberate demolition of the one of the USA's proudest complexes and the hub of major US business world-wide. The WTC was a status symbol, a treasure of the USA, and to destroy that was a blow that even Al Qaeda wasn't sure it could do but was exctatic at the unexpected and so dramatic success!

If the US Govt. wanted to make an excuse to attack they didn't have to do much at all and any minor incident would have sufficed. You don't blow up your own temple and kill your own people...

[Oscar]

Let me see, we are supposed to believe that a steel frame building, WTC7 collapsed at free fall speed because some debris hit it? (This was announced on the BBC BEFORE it actually happened.) Steel frame buildings can burn, untill all that is left standing is the steel frame. This has happened many times. Spontaneous collapse due to debris only appears to have happened once, if you believe that "conspiracy". (The owner of WTC7, Silverstein, actually admitted that it had been demolished, "pulled" in his exact wording but sheep would rather believe in their theories.)

We are supposed to believe that $2.3 trillion USD disappeared from the Pentagon budget just before 911 and no one knows what happened to it, as announced by Donald Rumsfeld. Now I wonder, could Bin Laden some how have gotten his grubby hands on that money to finance his terror? If you can believe some of this other stuff I am sure you can believe that.

War games/exercises were being run on 911 by they US government that totaly confused air traffic control and air defenses. You are expected to believe that this was a coincidence, or maybe you think Bin Laden used mind controll to organize and cause US governement officials to conduct the exercises at a convenient time...

Hi tech airliners were navigated at high speed, at times through manouvers that were outside their design envelope by incompetents who could hardly land a Cessna (experienced pilots acknowledge that this is impossible, but sheep don't believe in "conspiracy theories" so this is what MUST have happened).

The whole operation was run from a cave in Afghanistan.

Amazingly most sheep believe what they are supposed to believe. That makes them very easy to control and eventually slaughter... Mmmmm, lamb chops...

So are telling us that a Government that couldn't hide the fact that its President got a blowjob in the Whitehouse is gonna pull off a conspiracy involving the murder of almost 3,000 of it's own citizens and the destruction of billions of dollars worth of property?

Step away from the bong....

[oneofsix]

As it was, one of them nearly missed completely, you can see how hard he was turning, (for a large plane that would equate almost to a handbrake slide), to actually hit the building at all. The first one got it square on and you can see from the flight path, he had it well lined up from a long way back.

The one that hit the Pentagon wasn't dead accurate either although he may have hit the gorund deliberately, these plane are not Cessna's let alone helicopters and small movements/adjustments just don't happen.

What people need to remember is that "evidence" put up by conspiracy theorists is designed to convince people they are right and can hardly be objective. The explanation above about why the buildings collapsed as they did is not only correct but too obvious for some to see.

We may never know for sure exactly how much the Governmental agencies did know and the same is true about the killing of Osama, but there was no deliberate demolition of the one of the USA's proudest complexes and the hub of major US business world-wide. The WTC was a status symbol, a treasure of the USA, and to destroy that was a blow that even Al Qaeda wasn't sure it could do but was exctatic at the unexpected and so dramatic success!

If the US Govt. wanted to make an excuse to attack they didn't have to do much at all and any minor incident would have sufficed. You don't blow up your own temple and kill your own people...

To logical for the conspiracy supporters but I agree. Another failed attempt at Presidential assassination would have been a better ploy if the USA wanted to rig a ploy or even another attack like on the Cole (think that was the ships name). WTC and Pentagon are to elaborate to be the CIA manufacturing an excuse.

[onearmedbandit]

With respect to the capability of the aircraft and pilots, don't take my word for it, listen to some real pilots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHLiMl7u8R0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm58c...eature=related

Correct me if I'm wrong but the guy in the first video seems to doubt that the plane (whichever one) couldn't have handled the stress put on it by it's actions (he claims putting the plane through 4-5g's) and would've fallen out of the sky. So how did it happen? Smoke and mirrors?

So are telling us that a Government that couldn't hide the fact that its President got a blowjob in the Whitehouse is gonna pull off a conspiracy involving the murder of almost 3,000 of it's own citizens and the destruction of billions of dollars worth of property?

Step away from the bong....

This^. But don't hate the bong, hate the smoker...

[saxet]

9/11 was staged just to stop us noticing that the moon landings were fake.

[Maki]

Firstly, don't tell me what I believe. I believe the official story is a pack of lies but does that mean I think it was an inside job? No, I have no idea whether or not it was so I reserve my judgment.

Let's just think about this for a second. What are we expected to believe happened on 911.

2.3 trillion USD disappeared without a trace from the Pentagon budget. Bin Laden's minions hi jacked a plane that hit the Pentagon (without anyone ever seeing the plane) destroyed records that could have helped clear this up. How incredibly convenient...

"A terrible pilot hits pentagon accounting office holding records of missing 3 trillion in oil for money scheme & missing 2.3 trillion in DOD expenses."
http://manitobacanuk.com/?p=2639

4 (not 1 or 2) large jet airliners where hi-jacked by men who could barely fly a cessna and then flown through high speed maneuvers that make experienced airline pilots shake their head in disbelief. These maneuvers were in fact so difficult that experienced airline pilots could not even pull them off in the stress free environment of a simulator...

3 buildings conveniently collapsed into their own footprint. Bin Laden seems to have kindly picked these to destroy since they were up for demolition anyway.

"That grandiose Titanic called the World Trade Center, which had been planned to last for at least a century, soon revealed itself to be an engineering stupidity and technological embarrassment. The facade, made of cast aluminum, had been directly connected to the steel superstructure. This caused a battery-like electric flow between the two metals resulting in what's known as galvanic corrosion. This problem had been text-book predictable in the marine-air environment of lower Manhattan, hence the embarrassment.

The formidable-looking facade, weakening day by day, was in danger of peeling off and falling into the street. Another built-in irreversible problem was that the WTC buildings were full of asbestos. They may have been "sick buildings" in other environmental ways. The twin towers were white elephants waiting for replacement. The entire WTC complex, including Building 7, had become, prematurely expendable."
http://teslapress.com/911_history.htm

We are expected to believe that this crime was perpetrated by people who are later found to be alive and well, living in other countries.
http://guardian.150m.com/september-e...kers-alive.htm

We are expected to believe that aircraft that were still on the active flight list in 2005 were destroyed on 911.

"Two of the 9/11 airliners were never 'deregistered' and remained on the 'active' flight list until Sept. 28. 2005, the classification officially changing only a month after two inquisitive flight researchers made repeated calls to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), inquiring about the strange irregularity."

http://www.rense.com/general68/911h.htm

We are expected to believe that US air defenses were too busy and confused with exercises that day to be able to react to the errant planes and defend NYC and the Pentagon. Who was confusing US air defenses? Are we supposed to believe it was Bin Laden?

We are expected to believe that entities that made huge money prior to 911 betting that airline stock would go down have not been traced and interrogated as to where they got their information from.

It goes on and on and on...

So, in order to make a point, because he hated Americans for their "freedom", Bin Laden arranged for not 1, but 4 airliners to be simultaneously hi-jacked and with military precision his goons carried out a devastating attack against the US on a huge scale.

Ok, you may choose to believe that, and that's fine with me. I was however not born yesterday so I don't. What really happened? I don't know.

I just wonder, do you think Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK?