General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[Ender EnZed]

Oh right. Now we need to measure our sympathy out. People are who they are, many walk around with their head in the clouds, and will not look at the facts of anything before forking out. Weather that be sympathy or whatever.

I'm a realist though. I wont sink the boot and tell someone they aren't worth my effort, but I'll certainly refrain from giving them anything.

We don't all need to be preached to by the likes of you two! Infact, it has very little positive effect on most people. Don't get me wrong, the cloud heads fuck me off just as much, but they generally don't wank on the way you are.

I can't figure out how to turn on normal coloured writing after typing in the quote box like that.

You are welcome to apportion your sympathy as you see fit, and I'm not going to research where that is. However, I do not see the need to defend people from reality, that is to say: the (largely predictable) consequences of their own actions.

This is not directed at you Drew, but it is commonplace on this website to see phrases along the lines of "we don't know all the facts" in relation to a crash. This is true, we know know all the facts. What we do know is that there was a motorcycle being ridden by a motorcyclist. What we also know is that the outcome of any event involving said motorcycle was determined by:

a) the inputs of the motorcyclist on the motorcycle

b) something else

Only one of these two factors is something that the rider had any control over, or any other rider will in a similar (or dissimilar) situation have any control over in the future. I think that this is what needs to be focussed on.

Comments welcome.

[Drew]

You are welcome to apportion your sympathy as you see fit, and I'm not going to research where that is. However, I do not see the need to defend people from reality, that is to say: the (largely predictable) consequences of their own actions.

This is not directed at you Drew, but it is commonplace on this website to see phrases along the lines of "we don't know all the facts" in relation to a crash. This is true, we know know all the facts. What we do know is that there was a motorcycle being ridden by a motorcyclist. What we also know is that the outcome of any event involving said motorcycle was determined by:

a) the inputs of the motorcyclist on the motorcycle

b) something else

Only one of these two factors is something that the rider had any control over, or any other rider will in a similar (or dissimilar) situation have any control over in the future. I think that this is what needs to be focussed on.

Comments welcome.

I don't disagree. I don't think I've ever said that Katman was wrong either. Just that he's a dick. Makes his message fall on deaf ears like.

[Ender EnZed]

I don't disagree. I don't think I've ever said that Katman was wrong either. Just that he's a dick.

Can't argue with that.

Makes his message fall on deaf ears like.

Can argue with this. The fact that the unacceptability of crashing is associated with Katman rather any of the more "tactful" proponents of much the same message I think says a lot. If you've read his recent desperate call for attention you'll have seen more than one testimonial to his message getting through eventually. Delivery is everything, KM's might burn but that burn leaves a lasting impression that is missing from any of the countless softer approaches.

[MSTRS:Me]

....What we also know is that the outcome of any event involving said motorcycle was determined by:

a) the inputs of the motorcyclist on the motorcycle

b) something else

Only one of these two factors is something that the rider had any control over...

.Delivery is everything, KM's might burn but that burn leaves a lasting impression that is missing from any of the countless softer approaches.

And there it is. KM zeroes in on the one thing that is totally within a rider's control - their own performance - and obnoxiously insists they face that reality. Getting caught up in arguing with the delivery method is, in some ways, a form of denial of what should be the self-evident truth of what he says.
The touchy-feely, advice-filled approach is also good.
Lucky we have both sorts here, eh?

[skippa1]

And there it is. KM zeroes in on the one thing that is totally within a rider's control - their own performance - and obnoxiously insists they face that reality. Getting caught up in arguing with the delivery method is, in some ways, a form of denial of what should be the self-evident truth of what he says.
The touchy-feely, advice-filled approach is also good.
Lucky we have both sorts here, eh?

What a load of fucking arse. Tell me where KM focuses on performance in this statement.

Just another avoidable accident to add to the ledger though. Thanks a lot.

I often wonder how many of those who are blase about writing off their motorcycle are the same people who scream blue murder when someone's shopping trolley puts a scratch on their car.

Why do so many see motorcycles as disposable toys?

[Spearfish]

And there it is. KM zeroes in on the one thing that is totally within a rider's control - their own performance - and obnoxiously insists they face that reality. Getting caught up in arguing with the delivery method is, in some ways, a form of denial of what should be the self-evident truth of what he says.
The touchy-feely, advice-filled approach is also good.
Lucky we have both sorts here, eh?

Bloody nora you obviously had a full nights sleep!!

[MSTRS:Me]

What a load of fucking arse. Tell me where KM focuses on performance in this statement.

Just another avoidable accident to add to the ledger though. Thanks a lot.

I often wonder how many of those who are blase about writing off their motorcycle are the same people who scream blue murder when someone's shopping trolley puts a scratch on their car.

Why do so many see motorcycles as disposable toys?

There is tacit criticism of poor performance and poor attitude in all 3 of those statements.

[MSTRS:Me]

Bloody nora you obviously had a full nights sleep!!

Just my desperate attempt to stay on the fence. It's getting harder and harder, what with all the idiots tossing rocks at me...

[Spearfish]

Just my desperate attempt to stay on the fence. It's getting harder and harder, what with all the idiots tossing rocks at me...

Yeah but I bet your gravy turned out ok so who cares..

[Katman]

What a load of fucking arse. Tell me where KM focuses on performance in this statement.

Just another avoidable accident to add to the ledger though. Thanks a lot.

I often wonder how many of those who are blase about writing off their motorcycle are the same people who scream blue murder when someone's shopping trolley puts a scratch on their car.

Why do so many see motorcycles as disposable toys?

The first sentence is clearly aimed at you. After all, you had the avoidable accident.

The next two sentences are general observations. The fact that you react so defensively to them speaks volumes.

[skippa1]

The first sentence is clearly aimed at you. After all, you had the avoidable accident.

The next two sentences are general observations. The fact that you react so defensively to them speaks volumes.

What speaks volumes is....(quote "His tone is abusive and condesending and that is why most people have him on ignore......As for his online comments, yes, I cringe when I read them) said by a mod about you recently

What speaks volumes is the number of haters you have on this site, so many you have to start a poll on it. I am surprised that you have a few loyal followers.

You have no right to comment on my accident(or anyone elses for that matter). You were not there, you dont know the circumstance, you have no qualification, you have no experience in analysing accidents or cause and effect. You hide behind the ACC charges on your registration as a reason or validation for making flipant, unwanted, unwarranted and uneducated comment of accidents that you have no knowledge of.

My opinion is based on some experience, having read your posts and comments. My opinion is that you are a coward that sits behind a keyboard making anonymous smart arse comments about riding a motorcycle based on nothing, zip, zeron, nothing at all. I dont believe you ride a bike, you may not even own one. You talk with authority on matters you clearly have no substance in, as the comments are full of sarcasam and criticisim without any constructive base. Its convieient to sit on that high horse with hindsight on your side. I dont care what your opinion is anymore (never have really), I care that you invade my space with your shit. So from me, a very sincere FUCK OFF

[Eyegasm]

You have no right to comment on my accident(or anyone elses for that matter). You were not there, you dont know the circumstance, you have no qualification, you have no experience in analysing accidents or cause and effect. You hide behind the ACC charges on your registration as a reason or validation for making flipant, unwanted, unwarranted and uneducated comment of accidents that you have no knowledge of.

I care that you invade my space with your shit. So from me, a very sincere FUCK OFF

Yet you posted it on a public forum? and really? you posted it on KB...
What where you expecting? sympathy?

[skippa1]

Yet you posted it on a public forum? and really? you posted it on KB...
What where you expecting? sympathy?

I asked for some insurance advice and specifically requested that comments on the accident be left out of the equation. I dont want your sympathy, or anyone elses, I dont give a fuck about sympathy.

[Katman]

I dont give a fuck about sympathy.

Funny that - neither do I.

[MSTRS:Me]

You have no right to comment on my accident(or anyone elses for that matter). You were not there, you dont know the circumstance, you have no qualification, you have no experience in analysing accidents or cause and effect. You hide behind the ACC charges on your registration as a reason or validation for making flipant, unwanted, unwarranted and uneducated comment of accidents that you have no knowledge of.

Did I not already post something along the lines of "You've not been here very long, have you?"
What you accuse him of re ACC - he started out telling people to own their crashes, stop blaming 'other stuff', sort their shit out and pay attention when riding - or this would be what we could expect, long ago.