MNZ board nominations

[scrivy]

And the difference is??????Oh yeah Jim didnt try to stonewall him!

ROLFLMFAO

That's a laugh Billy.
Scott411 also said he couldn't get info from them either. Is he or I making it up??
No. We both had to quote constitution clauses to get the info too by the looks of it. Now, tell me Billy, where is the Board TRANSPARENCY in that? Another breach by Jim - until the Incorporated Societies were approached.

[Billy]

That's a laugh Billy.
Scott411 also said he couldn't get info from them either. Is he or I making it up??
No. We both had to quote constitution clauses to get the info too by the looks of it. Now, tell me Billy, where is the Board TRANSPARENCY in that? Another breach by Jim - until the Incorporated Societies were approached.

And Jim faced resistance as well,Where is the difference between his numerous emails and phone calls and yours??

As you are well aware,Jim is only one member of a 5 person board,How does it become a breach specific too him?????

[sidecar bob]

Clearly not Einstein,It was CLEARLY a scenario that could happen.Feel free to prove it hasnt ever occured!

Based on the 5000 odd members & using small business client ratio calculations, my guess is that their enquiry rate would run to somewhere around 40 to 50 per day, no 20 to 30 times that as you suggest.
But hey, whatever the case, piss poor management is still causing huge gaps in communication with members with serious enquiries, and that needs to be addressed forthwith.

[Billy]

That is the very fundamental that Chris Lawrance wants in MNZ.

'To offer effective, responsible and appropriate communication to clubs and riders' - Chris Lawrance

This is MNZ's biggest downfall to date. Things will improve if Chris is elected without a doubt.

Are there 2 Chris Lawrence's,Cause the one Ive questioned doesnt reply,Here,On facebook or directly too my email address,Is this responsible and appropriate communication with clubs and riders??Especially somebody who has put the effort I have into the Junior scene using none of the MNZ money or rescources!!

[scrivy]

And Jim faced resistance as well,Where is the difference between his numerous emails and phone calls and yours??
Because I was legally entitled to the information I was requesting, and I did not harrass or attack any individual in doing so, nor did I repeatedly threaten any MNZ members. Is that clear enough for yo Billy?

As you are well aware,Jim is only one member of a 5 person board,How does it become a breach specific too him?????

Is he not the President of MNZ? Is he not charged with steering MNZ in the correct direction? Does he not chair the Board? Does he not have a vote at Board level? Does he not have a casting vote too? He is more responsible thatn the Board, as some of the questions I asked were related to Jim!

[scrivy]

And Jim faced resistance as well,Where is the difference between his numerous emails and phone calls and yours??
Because I was legally entitled to the information I was requesting, and I did not harrass or attack any individual in doing so, nor did I repeatedly threaten any MNZ members. Is that clear enough for yo Billy?

As you are well aware,Jim is only one member of a 5 person board,How does it become a breach specific too him?????

Is he not the President of MNZ? Is he not charged with steering MNZ in the correct direction? Does he not chair the Board? Does he not have a vote at Board level? Does he not have a casting vote too? He is more responsible than the Board, as some of the questions I asked were related to Jim!

Well how did that happen???

[Billy]

The point of spending money on a website is to convey information that is relative to and for the benefit of the entity(Commercial or organisation) that commissions the website. The MNZ News is replicated and readily available for those who want it and for that matter an abundance of M/Cycle sport internet news available.

As Scott alluded – MNZ needs to think about what the Website can do for its financial backers. The MNZ membership. They don't need to be entertained - they need to be 'informed'.[/QUOTE]

Yes absolutely agree,I have mentioned too the current admin that the information regarding clubs and officials needs to be condensed so its easier to access,BUT how many members actually bother to even look??Most just seem intent on getting on the internet and rubbishing MNZ when they dont get a reply too an email,Maybe if the site was better arranged and members actually bothered to try and find the information things would work more smoothly,Not suggesting in anyway that MNZ arent in some way at fault,But communication is a 2 way street.

[sidecar bob]

Are there 2 Chris Lawrence's,Cause the one Ive questioned doesnt reply,Here,On facebook or directly too my email address,Is this responsible and appropriate communication with clubs and riders??Especially somebody who has put the effort I have into the Junior scene using none of the MNZ money or rescources!!

As you say, theres over 5000 members & your boots are barely showing out of Jims arse.
Id suggest hes not wasting his time on you, prefering to concentrate on the 4999 that are worth the trouble.
Pot, Kettle, Wheres Jimbob?

[scott411]

And Jim faced resistance as well,Where is the difference between his numerous emails and phone calls and yours??

As you are well aware,Jim is only one member of a 5 person board,How does it become a breach specific too him?????

because rightly or wrongly he is the only one up for election this time, so that is the main reason he is in the gun over this,

also he is the Chair of the board, and most information seems to come signed by him on behalf of the board, (incl the board report that came out today) so it seems right to go to the top,

[scrivy]

Maybe if the site was better arranged and members actually bothered to try and find the information things would work more smoothly,Not suggesting in anyway that MNZ arent in some way at fault,But communication is a 2 way street.

And any good business person will delegate items to competent persons.
Why then have the Board not delegated the website responsibility to say 'thechow' who's already said he'd do it with bi-monthly newsletters too. (Chris's thoughts on the website communication).
Oh, Jim said it would be too expensive.............
Even though it would help alleviate most of MNZ's perceived issues with their members.
Sounds like they DON'T want to do it.

Am I correct?

[Billy]

because rightly or wrongly he is the only one up for election this time, so that is the main reason he is in the gun over this,

also he is the Chair of the board, and most information seems to come signed by him on behalf of the board, (incl the board report that came out today) so it seems right to go to the top,

Sorry Scott,

Firstly Jims not the only one up for election,Yes hes the chair of the board but he still only has 1 vote on a 5 member board,So your suggesting because the information is signed by him,It must solely be his decision?Sounds like the old shooting the messenger too me!

[Billy]

As you say, theres over 5000 members & your boots are barely showing out of Jims arse.
Id suggest hes not wasting his time on you, prefering to concentrate on the 4999 that are worth the trouble.
Pot, Kettle, Wheres Jimbob?

How very adult of you!

Jims answered all my questions either on Marcus's facebook page or at presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz,Chris has not!

Gotta go get my torch its farken dark up here

[Billy]

And any good business person will delegate items to competent persons.
Why then have the Board not delegated the website responsibility to say 'thechow' who's already said he'd do it with bi-monthly newsletters too. (Chris's thoughts on the website communication).
Oh, Jim said it would be too expensive.............
Even though it would help alleviate most of MNZ's perceived issues with their members.
Sounds like they DON'T want to do it.

Am I correct?

Yes a bi monthly newsletter would help alleviate the situation,But by no means is it the silverbullet that will fix all the communication problems evident,As Ive stated before communication is a 2 way street and until all the members start utilising the information available too them things wont improve.

As Ive stated on Marcus's facebook page,There needs to be better communication between the clubs and MNZ and likwise the members and their local clubs,Until this happens things will stay as they are.I also wonder whether the chow has considered the enormity of the job regarding a bi monthly newsletter to 5500 members covering seven disciplines???

[scott411]

Sorry Scott,

Firstly Jims not the only one up for election,Yes hes the chair of the board but he still only has 1 vote on a 5 member board,So your suggesting because the information is signed by him,It must solely be his decision?Sounds like the old shooting the messenger too me!

who else is up for election?

the NI Off Road, and the SI Road were both appointed without an election due to being the only nomination.

[scrivy]

Jims answered all my questions either on Marcus's facebook page or at presidentmnz@ihug.co.nz,Chris has not!
Chris has answered all of mine Billy!!
Gotta go get my torch its farken dark up here

Smells like crap too!

As Ive stated on Marcus's facebook page,There needs to be better communication between the clubs and MNZ and likwise the members and their local clubs,Until this happens things will stay as they are.I also wonder whether the chow has considered the enormity of the job regarding a bi monthly newsletter to 5500 members covering seven disciplines???

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