General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[skippa1]

Funny that - neither do I.

Good, first thing we have agreed on then

[skippa1]

Did I not already post something along the lines of "You've not been here very long, have you?"
What you accuse him of re ACC - he started out telling people to own their crashes, stop blaming 'other stuff', sort their shit out and pay attention when riding - or this would be what we could expect, long ago.

Well suck my dick. I didnt realise what he was trying to say cause it was all hidden in what I term wankerisims. Seriously, if he wants to be taken seriously by others, new or not, the message may be semi ok (people should own their crashes, they shouldnt blame other stuff all of the time and they should pay attention - HOWEVER accidents still happen) but he is the wrong person to deliver it. All this shit about people treating their bikes like toys or disposable items. Really MSTRS, do YOU really believe that???

[MSTRS:Me]

No. But then again, I don't always agree with KM either.
On the other hand, bikes being treated as disposable toys may not be that far from the truth in some cases. That is the perception given by their riders.

[Katman]

I dont give a fuck about sympathy.

Funny that - neither do I.

Good, first thing we have agreed on then

Well suck my dick.

Have we just entered the Twilight Zone.

[skippa1]

Have we just entered the Twilight Zone.

it wasnt an instruction just a suggestion

[Grubber]

Well suck my dick. I didnt realise what he was trying to say cause it was all hidden in what I term wankerisims. Seriously, if he wants to be taken seriously by others, new or not, the message may be semi ok (people should own their crashes, they shouldnt blame other stuff all of the time and they should pay attention - HOWEVER accidents still happen) but he is the wrong person to deliver it. All this shit about people treating their bikes like toys or disposable items. Really MSTRS, do YOU really believe that???

So true. Never read such an absolute crock of shite in all my life.
Too true, w do need to take responsibility for our crashes if we have one. But i won't if it is someone elses fault. So take that....
TOYS????? DISPOSABLE????? Get serious....my bike is a shrine thanks.

[Grubber]

Just my desperate attempt to stay on the fence. It's getting harder and harder, what with all the idiots tossing rocks at me...

Maybe they are not the idoits

[Grubber]

The first sentence is clearly aimed at you. After all, you had the avoidable accident.

The next two sentences are general observations. The fact that you react so defensively to them speaks volumes.

You didn't answer the question!

[MSTRS:Me]

Maybe they are not the idoits

Of course they are.
From up here, I can see both sides...

[Katman]

Maybe they are not the idoits

:double :

Looks like we've found drongo number 2.

[skippa1]

double

Looks like we've found drongo number 2.

Take another look, its only your reflection

[raftn]

Katmans message is relevant and does need to be said, perhaps at times the message is delivered wrong, but that sould not distract from the fact it needs to be said.

New Zealand bikers are killing themselves far to often, and yet not many of us are learning from these mistakes. We are all repsonseable for how we ride, the training we take, our mental attitude while on the road.

Single rider bike accidents that are non injury are very rarely reported so do not get included in official crash statistics. If the rider is okay, often the bike is picked up, put in a van, and the accident is unkown to most everyone. On average every second bike crash is single rider, in reality it is in fact a great deal higher.

Learning from other peoples accidents, and the reasons why, weather it be poor rider skills, road conditions, or any other multitude of reasons will go a long way to improving our own attitude when out riding. To often accidents are swept under the carpet and nothing is learned.

Learning to ride and improving your skills is a never ending quest, just because you have a bike license does not qualify you as a good rider.

Everone has a right to come on here and vent, but we also have a responseabilty to encourage safer riding and improving of skills. Katma does not always delivery the message tactfully, never the less the message needs to get out there, so look past the bull shit, and dont throw the baby out with the bath water.

[MSTRS:Me]

Aint one-eyed denial a ... something?

[Grubber]

Of course they are.
From up here, I can see both sides...

And this is from your high and mighty throne is it????
Do you wonder why people are throwing "rocks" at you?
It seems to me you are prepared to call them idiots for having an opinion, which is all you are expressing also,,,so this would make you just the same, would it not?

:double :

Looks like we've found drongo number 2.

Resorted to name calling. Now that's an intelligent argument. Once you get to this point you have basically lost the the whole fight....

Take another look, its only your reflection

Wish i had thought of that!

Katmans message is relevant and does need to be said, perhaps at times the message is delivered wrong, but that sould not distract from the fact it needs to be said.

New Zealand bikers are killing themselves far to often, and yet not many of us are learning from these mistakes. We are all repsonseable for how we ride, the training we take, our mental attitude while on the road.

Single rider bike accidents that are non injury are very rarely reported so do not get included in official crash statistics. If the rider is okay, often the bike is picked up, put in a van, and the accident is unkown to most everyone. On average every second bike crash is single rider, in reality it is in fact a great deal higher.

Learning from other peoples accidents, and the reasons why, weather it be poor rider skills, road conditions, or any other multitude of reasons will go a long way to improving our own attitude when out riding. To often accidents are swept under the carpet and nothing is learned.

Learning to ride and improving your skills is a never ending quest, just because you have a bike license does not qualify you as a good rider.

Everone has a right to come on here and vent, but we also have a responseabilty to encourage safer riding and improving of skills. Katma does not always delivery the message tactfully, never the less the message needs to get out there, so look past the bull shit, and dont throw the baby out with the bath water.

Well said Rog. The only issue i have with this, is the one man torrent of bullshit that we seem to have to put up with at every angle.
I have spent many a day with new riders, showing them how to keep there heads on and have had only 2 crashes over 40 years myself. I think KM may be better employed trying to do something of the same, rather than come on here at every turn annoying the bejesus out of everyone.

[MSTRS:Me]

It seems to me you are prepared to call them idiots for having an opinion, which is all you are expressing also,,,so this would make you just the same, would it not?

If an opinion is wrong, can be proved to be wrong, yet the espouser of that opinion persists...then they deserve to be called an idiot.

KM 's message isn't wrong. His opinion on how it should be delivered might be. The poll results seem to say something different tho...

I have spent many a day with new riders, showing them how to keep there heads on and have had only 2 crashes over 40 years myself. I think KM may be better employed trying to do something of the same, rather than come on here at every turn annoying the bejesus out of everyone.

Good for you. About the same track record as me. And possibly KM too...I only really 'know' him on here.