Should Katman shut the fuck up?

[Berries]

As for the Coroner's report on the Daniel accident. It is out, as to why it is not on here? I will leave that up the many to figure out.

A quick Google found it in post 5 here - http://www.ulysses.org.nz/vbulletin/...read.php?t=384. Not being a member I can't view it, but interesting reading all the comments. First time I have seen that forum - a bit genteel compared to KB.

EDIT - Can that, found the report somewhere else.

[Maha]

A quick Google found it in post 5 here - http://www.ulysses.org.nz/vbulletin/...read.php?t=384. Not being a member I can't view it, but interesting reading all the comments. First time I have seen that forum - a bit genteel compared to KB.

EDIT - Can that, found the report somewhere else.

Its there as a pdf...

[Katman]

Its there as a pdf...

http://www.ulysses.org.nz/accident-r...t-Papakura.pdf

[Mom]

What a shame on many levels.

Interestingly I did not realise that Katman was so insecure he needed validation of his stance on here. FFS, he has defended it over the years with staunch persistance, sheer doggedness and frank abuse! He knows there are many that support his beliefs, he also knows they sometimes counsel him to deliver it a bit more smoothly. Sad times to see he needs to show his insecurity so baldly on here. Steve, STFU! The poll is pathetic, you are better than that.

To now have posted the coronors report about Daniel just really shows how little respect you have for your fellow being.

This report has been public for many, many, months

If you were so "interested" how come you have taken this long to post it?

I feel terribley for this family! They tried to preserve Daniels innocense (and no doubt disaggree with some of the findings of the coroner) and have been dealt yet another blow.

Let me be the first to say, I have defended Daniels innocense, and have blamed the WRB for his death time and time again. In fact the coronor says he died as a result of collision with the WRB so I have no problem defending my stance.

Were there mitigating circumstances that may have prevented his death? Certainly. Fact of the matter, he died as a result of a hind quarter amputation, caused by the WRB he hit after falling from his bike for unexplained reasons.

Happy now Steve?

[Katman]

Let me be the first to say, I have defended Daniels innocense, and have blamed the WRB for his death time and time again. In fact the coronor says he died as a result of collision with the WRB so I have no problem defending my stance.

Were there mitigating circumstances that may have prevented his death? Certainly. Fact of the matter, he died as a result of a hind quarter amputation, caused by the WRB he hit after falling from his bike for unexplained reasons.

Did you read paragraph 69 Anne?

[Mom]

Did you read paragraph 69 Anne?

Yep, I have read the entire thing, many, many times. I did it months ago. I have nothing more to say about it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did you read paragraph 69 Anne?

Are you trying to tell us all, that when you were younger, you never went over the speed limit? That you never made mistakes?

[Katman]

Are you trying to tell us all, that when you were younger, you never went over the speed limit? That you never made mistakes?

Throughout my life I've tried to make a habit of accepting and owning up to my mistakes.

[jazfender]

Throughout my life I've tried to make a habit of accepting and owning up to my mistakes.

To be fair, it's difficult to do that when you're deceased.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've tried to make a habit of accepting and owning up to my mistakes.

Ok, so maybe we're getting somewhere. You're admitting you're only human then right? Certain humans have, and will always push the 'boundries'. Some of them get away with it and are lucky enough to grow old, some aren't and die way too young.

But Valentino Rossi could've been killed as a wild youth riding scooters through his local village as a runaway kid! Don't think I'm condoning needless loss of life, as I'm not and never will. But unless you plan to lobby for the human race to be wrapped in cotton wool forever, the wild ones are gonna have accidents. I've had plenty, most my fault entirely. That's why I went racing. To take it off the street.

We can only do our best to guide them towards chanelling/using their skills in the correct time/place, but being young, they ain't always gonna listen. But often being nice to them helps them listen. In my experience anyway. Talking down to them, like a big old nasty headmaster, will more often than not, make them rebel and go even harder to show you they know best.

[Spearfish]

To be fair, it's difficult to do that when you're deceased.

So that means not doing one often leads to the other.

[Katman]

But often being nice to them helps them listen. In my experience anyway. Talking down to them, like a big old nasty headmaster, will more often than not, make them rebel and go even harder to show you they know best.

Perhaps it's time more of the 75% stepped up and started trying to get the message across in a more palatable manner.

[jazfender]

So that means not doing one often leads to the other.

yeah, also means some are shit out of luck the first time.

[Spearfish]

yeah, also means some are shit out of luck the first time.

I wonder what someone crashing runs out of first?
(poor taste?)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Perhaps it's time more of the 75% stepped up and started trying to get the message across in a more palatable manner.

Maybe so...but in my view, there's more than just the one message you more often than not try to 'hammer' home.