General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[Grubber]

You need to lose the victim mentality.

You dick! Who the fuck said i think i'm a victim. How would you now what or who i am? No clue at all. I HTFU in 2 seconds. Suggest you get over whatever it is that seems to be irritating you all the time. For your information, when i crashed and was lying on the ground, the first thing i said to my mate that ran over was, "is the woman in the car ok"
Does this sound like i am a victim.
Mt point is, if you can possibly understand this at all, it was NOT my fault. Can you get that bit or not. How the fuck do you get victim mentality out of that?

That's your opinion...



Would you go have an injury-causing crash? No?
Funny that...



So am I. For the same reason. But a long succession of others having injury crashes means I must pay. And since there's been a lot over the years that needn't have happened, I pay even more. I don't like that.

Welcome to the real world. This has been the case since before i was born and figure it will go on for a long time after. If you don't like it, buy a push bike, they cost ya nothing.

I think we've found drongo number 3.

Shit! Not again! Someone else who has a different slant than KM on the subject. How dare they!

youve counted me twice dickhead

By the way, point me to the constructive bit

You will always be a grongo as you will always have a different opinion to KM.
Constructive???? You will be waiting a while for that response my friend.

[Grubber]

That world is called LaLa land and is reserved for fairies, those that are really out of it or bored people. If you think for one second that KM's comments are saving us from that you are sadly mistaken. Taken to its full conclusion we would all wear helmets walking down the road, avoid eating in case we got sick, avoid breathing incase we inhale a bug.....OMG....the world just isnt that way. And this is all to save KM some rego for a bike he clearly doesnt ride

Right on Brother!!! Choice is an amazing thing isn't it. You weigh up the pro's and con's and the costs and make the decision and off ya go. In our cases it's bikes and i still don't regret that decision at all, even with the rise in rego. If it got that bad i would sell my kids!

Pffft.

Managing the risk, by taking all reasonable and practical steps to avoid or mitigate is all that KM is saying.
Clearly 'reasonable and practical' mean different things to different people.
If your reasonable and practical steps fall short of KM's standard, and you crash because they weren't enough, then clearly his standard of care was =better than yours. And if you go on to defend your steps or deny they weren't enough, then you've just opened yourself to the label of idiot.

Here you go again. Your saying right here that if someone has a different risk level than you and i then he immediately becomes and idiot. Well i ride pretty dam good and i see some that ride even better and are able to do things on a bike that i can't but i don't label them an idiot because they can. If your skill level limits you to a pootle, then so be it, but don't lecture me or anyone else who elects to ride faster or better or whatever just because you choose not too. Why you ask! because that person that is going quicker may be equipped well enough to do just that.

pfffttt yourself. I havent seen him say that for some time. I see all sorts of other shit, but not just "take all reasonable and practical steps". Point that out to me will you? I dont defend my steps or otherwise, I dont see why he has any right whatsoever to criticise the steps I have taken when he doesnt know me, has never met me and was not at the accident scene. To do so is presumptious and make obtuse comments is just a bit of thisand does nothing for his cause

Ya Ya fella. Exactly!

Thanks!.....I was SOOO worried I was gonna run out before KM post's the video of his perfect riding & God like premonition.........can't wait for it!

Make sure you got a brush to keep the cobwebs off, cause it gonna be a long wait my friend. I actually think he can't ride and thats the real issue here.You know, bit of the old jealousy creeping in.
Maybe even a victim mentality, due to the fact everyone else can ride much better than him etc. Could be cause for another pole right there.
IS KM A MENTAL VICTIM?
Will leave you to answer that one.

[MSTRS:Me]

Here you go again. Your saying right here that if someone has a different risk level than you and i then he immediately becomes and idiot. Well i ride pretty dam good and i see some that ride even better and are able to do things on a bike that i can't but i don't label them an idiot because they can. If your skill level limits you to a pootle, then so be it, but don't lecture me or anyone else who elects to ride faster or better or whatever just because you choose not too. Why you ask! because that person that is going quicker may be equipped well enough to do just that.

Here we go again. Just like KM's posts, you read what I wrote, but you didn't comprehend it. Go back and read it again.
I never said someone with a different interpretation of risk is an idiot.

[Katman]

Here we go again. Just like KM's posts, you read what I wrote, but you didn't comprehend it. Go back and read it again.

Welcome to the world of Katman.

[skippa1]

Welcome to the world of Katman.

looks like you guys are chums

[Grubber]

Pffft.

Managing the risk, by taking all reasonable and practical steps to avoid or mitigate is all that KM is saying.
Clearly 'reasonable and practical' mean different things to different people.
If your reasonable and practical steps fall short of KM's standard, and you crash because they weren't enough, then clearly his standard of care was =better than yours. And if you go on to defend your steps or deny they weren't enough, then you've just opened yourself to the label of idiot.

"opened yourself to the label of idiot"
These are your words are they not?
Sounds like you might have decided they will be labeled as idiots to me, as no-one else has said this anywhere.
Oh and i can fuckin read just fine thanks!
Maybe the practical and reasonable doesn't have to be to KM's standard. Who says his standard is high enough for a start. His standard isn't my guideline so why should it have to be anyone else's. Doesn't make me or anyone else any lesser person, it just makes us different.
Lets face it, no-one goes out of a day to crash, they go out to ride and enjoy. How they do it is up to them. It may not be my style or yours but never the less, they are still allowed to ride. A majority of people, in fact i would say most, don't ride too bad at all, it's only a small percentage that take things to the limit and they aren't going to stop just because you and i say so. That's called human nature.

[Grubber]

Welcome to the world of Katman.

My understanding of the English language is just fine. Maybe your writing ability needs to be looked at if you're having so much trouble with people understanding you.

[imdying]

Meh, free hospital care, cheap ACC, cheap insurance, cheap petrol, cheap private surgical cover (only a dick rides without it), given all that, I don't give a fuck


And do you know what the super best bit is? When I crash my bike, a little piece of the bill is paid for by Katman

And do you know the super duper best bit? There is absolutely nothing he can do about it Well unless you impotently posting on KB, but that'll never bear fruit

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh and i can fuckin read just fine thanks!

I wouldn't and couldn't disagree...

My understanding of the English language is just fine.

Not so sure about that. You are one of the very few (at least who post about it) who insist on putting meaning in mine and KM's post/s that isn't there and wasn't intended.

It is self-evident that someone who crashes because of a failure to adequately manage the risk they exposed themselves to is misguided to then defend that position. They should be questioning the wisdom of their actions and/or attitude, and if they are not - well then, they have opened themselves to ridicule from others.

Taken from the webpage just released by Gareth Morgan and co.

Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot.

[Katman]

And do you know what the super best bit is? When I crash my bike, a little piece of the bill is paid for by Katman

And do you know the super duper best bit? There is absolutely nothing he can do about it

Hah! Got you there. I could just give up motorcycling.

Oh....hang on......wait a minute.....ummm.....

[skippa1]

I wouldn't and couldn't disagree...



Not so sure about that. You are one of the very few (at least who post about it) who insist on putting meaning in mine and KM's post/s that isn't there and wasn't intended.

It is self-evident that someone who crashes because of a failure to adequately manage the risk they exposed themselves to is misguided to then defend that position. They should be questioning the wisdom of their actions and/or attitude, and if they are not - well then, they have opened themselves to ridicule from others.

Taken from the webpage just released by Gareth Morgan and co.

member of forest and bird to?

[Grubber]

I wouldn't and couldn't disagree...



Not so sure about that. You are one of the very few (at least who post about it) who insist on putting meaning in mine and KM's post/s that isn't there and wasn't intended.

It is self-evident that someone who crashes because of a failure to adequately manage the risk they exposed themselves to is misguided to then defend that position. They should be questioning the wisdom of their actions and/or attitude, and if they are not - well then, they have opened themselves to ridicule from others.

Taken from the webpage just released by Gareth Morgan and co.

Perhaps your writing could do with some work if people are being mislead by your statements.
You distinctly quoted the word "idiot" in your sentence, therefore it is you who believes it to be correct.
I doubt very much that anyone would not agree that they could improve. I ride plenty well enough to save my arse but i am in the middle of doing the levels at California Superbike. Always good to be on the learn. It doesn't make me think those who don't are idiots though. They are obviously comfortable with their skill level as it is. Each to their own i think is the term used.
We could in fact say the same for car and truck drivers. There would be a huge amount of both that would not consider increasing their expertise. They are still able to drive safely though and seem to do so.
I don't think anyone is necessarily misguided either, if that's how they want to deal with their life. Entirely up to them really. It may differ from you and i, but still quite relevant all the same. It doesn't make them idiots, because you may just find that these people are extremely good at something else that we are not so good at. We all have our place on this earth.

Oh and i have never held Gareth Morgan in very high regard, so it's pointless quoting anything he said.

[MSTRS:Me]

member of forest and bird to?

That the best you can do? Not much of a tanty for being unable to refute the truth...

[skippa1]

That the best you can do? Not much of a tanty for being unable to refute the truth...

what truth?
"Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot" - who said that? Name one.....go on, just one

[skippa1]

just had a thought, maybe it was the one that said, "my bike is just a disposable toy"
we will never forget old whats his name?