Motorcycle Advisory Council launches new website and brand

[StoneY]

Over in another KB mosh pit the idea came up of releasing coroners reports relating to bike incidents in the same way reports are published for pilots in their sites and magazine, I'm sorta tentative to suggest it, would the new web site be an appropriate place to make consensual publication available for educational purposes?

I can see some problems unless a high level of dignity and maturity isn't used including under no circumstances a "leave a message" space be provided.

The site will be heavily moderated.
Only postings/messages etc that are sane, non inflammatory, and very UN KBlike will be tolerated I have been told

We have KB to rant on, that site is a formal govt resource and will be held to a far higher standards of professionalism

In other words, no trolls! Just real business and real resources

I doubt Coroners reports will ever be published on it. I do wonder, if maybe we should have a 'coroners corner' here on KB?
Would that be fair to thos the reports are about and their families?
Are they already on another publicly accessible web link at all?

[Spearfish]

The site will be heavily moderated.
Only postings/messages etc that are sane, non inflammatory, and very UN KBlike will be tolerated I have been told

We have KB to rant on, that site is a formal govt resource and will be held to a far higher standards of professionalism

In other words, no trolls! Just real business and real resources

I doubt Coroners reports will ever be published on it. I do wonder, if maybe we should have a 'coroners corner' here on KB?
Would that be fair to thos the reports are about and their families?
Are they already on another publicly accessible web link at all?

Maybe scu reports in there as well?
Where ever the list is formed it would have to be consensual for those involved
I doubt KB is the correct place, I doubt even as a wiki link.
If it is done anywhere it should be the msl site.
Here is a link for the NZ CAA site
http://www.caa.govt.nz/Accidents_and..._incidents.htm

If ever one is formed it would be a first.

[Katman]

If the PTB think we are that much of a risk, then they should be prioritising fixing our issues over the others.

Yeah, either that or they could just decide to legislate us off the road.

[Katman]

And I think the idea of having coroner's reports and SCU reports available for public perusal is a great idea.

No discussion forum - just the reports.

[warewolf]

Over in another KB mosh pit the idea came up of releasing coroners reports relating to bike incidents in the same way reports are published for pilots in their sites and magazine

Last I heard - and this was nearly 10 years ago - there were no trained/certified motorcycle crash inspectors in NZ. Garbage in, Garbage out.

Pilots are already trained to a much higher standard than road users, and the crash analysis is fairly skilled, too. There's already quite a useful pool of knowledge within the motorcycle rider training industry - perhaps it would be more realistic to make more use of training we already have available?

[quickbuck]

Last I heard - and this was nearly 10 years ago - there were no trained/certified motorcycle crash inspectors in NZ. Garbage in, Garbage out.

Pilots are already trained to a much higher standard than road users, and the crash analysis is fairly skilled, too. There's already quite a useful pool of knowledge within the motorcycle rider training industry - perhaps it would be more realistic to make more use of training we already have available?

Funny you should say that....
ACC are working on that too. Watch this space. Well, not quite this one, but lets just say there is going to be a shake up in the licencing system

[StoneY]

Funny you should say that....
ACC are working on that too. Watch this space. Well, not quite this one, but lets just say there is going to be a shake up in the licencing system

The shake up in the licensing system is not ACC's issue to own mate, nor is the crash analysis issue's

Thats NZTA, MOT and Police, it has nothing to do with ACC so why do you think they're involved in either issue?

ACC receive the crash report summaries and have access to the details where needed for their purposes I am told, and they certainly dont set the rules for licens issuing, testing, or renewal.

[quickbuck]

The shake up in the licensing system is not ACC's issue to own mate, nor is the crash analysis issue's

Thats NZTA, MOT and Police, it has nothing to do with ACC so why do you think they're involved in either issue?

ACC receive the crash report summaries and have access to the details where needed for their purposes I am told, and they certainly dont set the rules for licens issuing, testing, or renewal.

Not saying it is a bad thing.
No, ACC are are not the owners, it is indeed NZTA.
Police are only the "Contractors" to enforce the law, so not really them either.

ACC are looking at advanced rider courses to see what s being provided with a view of changing things....
How do I know?
Well, lets just say I have some involvement.
Not going to disclose too much on here though.

[StoneY]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...r-Hutt-22-5-11

Council course run with ACC funding

BRONZ and other such groups already deeply involved with organised courses heavily cross funded by ACC from existing funding pools

Nothing new about that

[MSTRS:Me]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...r-Hutt-22-5-11

Council course run with ACC funding

BRONZ and other such groups already deeply involved with organised courses heavily cross funded by ACC from existing funding pools

Nothing new about that

But they do seem to be happening a hell of a lot more than in the past.
This is a good thing.

[StoneY]

But they do seem to be happening a hell of a lot more than in the past.
This is a good thing.

Oh absolutely and I for one am very pleased with the fact this is happening, please don't misunderstand me on this one.

[Big Dave]

>>Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot.<<

Get fucked. Who wrote this? Kiwibiker?
I'm all for training if needed but there are many thousands of competent road riders who don't actually need to improve anything. It's not a racetrack as per the example cited.

[MSTRS:Me]

>>Anyone who says their riding could not be better is an idiot.<<

Get fucked.

There are many thousands of competent road riders who don't actually need to improve anything. It's not a racetrack.

That, right there, is the attitude that lead to the shitfight/s in KM's poll thread and my Bitch about bikers thread.
The two sides are diametrically opposed.
Those that believe they have nothing to learn and no need to continually improve their riding skills.
And those that accept that no matter how good we think we are, we can always do better.

Only those who, after riding without incident all their lives, die of old age are qualified to state they had no need to improve.

[Kickaha]

I'm all for training if needed but there are many thousands of competent road riders who don't actually need to improve anything. It's not a racetrack as per the example cited.

No the road isn't a racetrack, it's something a lot more dangerous

[Big Dave]

Whose thread?

I think there are lots of people who do it pretty much as well as it can be done (on the road.)

They ride within the law, use common sense, have survived a long time, have trained, use discretion, mitigate accidents, wear the gear, take responsibility, etc etc. Highly proficient, skilled enthusiasts and many do it 'their' way. There are lots of them. Pay them some dues too.

Semantically the statement is correct. The inference - well OK, it gets people thinking and there are plenty that do need help badly too.