The drink-drive war is won!

[bogan]

The thing is I understand the drink driving issue. But the age thing is just fucked up and it's fucking annoying how legislation is always wrote against young people.

The point of this under 20 driving limit is what really, lower limits for inexperienced. Then why not make it a limit for those who have had their full for less than 2 years, or 3 years. It means if a 20 year old gets his learners he can instantly drink a good few beers and not be over the limit, which is fucked up.

Just like if you're over 25 you can skip through the 1.5 year restricted time and get it down to a quarter of a year, when the least time I can spend is 1 year on a restricted. It's completely unfounded nonsense just to appease the majority of the population, which surprise surprise isn't affected by the legislation at all.

I agree, age is a correlation thing rather than a cause. And make the tests harder so you don't have to wrap everything on the road in cotton wool. Thing is, piss off the young-uns and lose fuck all votes, piss off the masses on the other hand...

[MSTRS:Me]

But the age thing is just fucked up and it's fucking annoying how legislation is always wrote against young people.

Stereotyping is a bastard, eh.
All old people are grumpy and smell funny, right?

[superman]

Fixed it for you.

and market 'ZERO' tolerance?...now there's an idea that could be applied to speeds and...good idea young one.

Oh god this is like talking about the speeding thing. Police officers have their own discretion. They can enforce laws how they see fit to a point, they don't blindly follow what the big man says. At least I hope that's not the case.

Just because it's illegal to go 104 in a 100 doesn't mean every cop seeing you do that will pull you over and give you a fine because it's the law.

It's up to police how much they'll police a law, then of course I'll bitch at cops rather than the government which made said law. You're not mindless drones (open for discussion though I guess...).

Guess we're yet to see how much this is enforced and how much leniancy there is soon enough. Getting a driving intoxicated charge goes on your record for life though doesn't it, I don't want that. So I'm being scared into obedience byt the enforcement authority. It's disgusting to be treated as such if I'm caught driving after a beer. COMPLETE OVERKILL.

[scumdog]

So I'm being scared into obedience but the enforcement authority. It's discusting to be treated as such if I'm caught driving after a beer. COMPLETE OVERKILL.

Go and blame the relies of people killed by drunk drivers for wanting such an overkill, what were they thinking...

[Scuba_Steve]

Nothing goes better than booze & vehicles, except for Booze & firearms
...



*not responsible for any fuckwit that actually takes this advice

[AD345]

Bit of a dredge....

The new laws are a bit of a step in the right direction although I think the zero limit for youf is going to cause all of the issues that superman raises but she's a tough ask to avoid political agendas in a political environment.

Well done to the Nats (arrgh that hurts) for staying the distance on the adult limit despite the protestations of the hysterical/talk-back classes.

The best bit to see was at least some effort being put towards recidivist drink drivers who remain a blight on our society. Now lets see if the judiciary take the hint...


Oh, and Stoney - jam it up your arse ya pussy.

[FJRider]

Guess we're yet to see how much this is enforced and how much leniancy there is soon enough. Getting a driving intoxicated charge goes on your record for life though doesn't it, I don't want that. So I'm being scared into obedience but the enforcement authority. It's discusting to be treated as such if I'm caught driving after a beer. COMPLETE OVERKILL.

The new policy is working already ....

When you grow up ... you may find maturity has changed your opinion on the subject ... and improved your grammar and spelling ...

And ... you may be treated as an adult ...

and subject to the ADULT rules ...

In the meantime ... I just hope you dont find (or hear about) any of your young friends, dead in the wreckage of their (or their friends) car ... amongst the empty RTD/Beer bottles/cans ...

or worse ... hear they've killed somebody else ...

[superman]

The new policy is working already ....

When you grow up ... you may find maturity has changed your opinion on the subject ... and improved your grammar and spelling ...

And ... you may be treated as an adult ...

and subject to the ADULT rules ...

In the meantime ... I just hope you dont find (or hear about) any of your young friends, dead in the wreckage of their (or their friends) car ... amongst the empty RTD/Beer bottles/cans ...

or worse ... hear they've killed somebody else ...

Woops, should have double checked before posting that.

I can't see myself changing opinion on this, I don't have friends that drink and drive (drink more than 1 and drive). There is no way I allow them, I give them no oppurtunity to do so if I'm around them and they are contemplating as such.

[FJRider]

I can't see myself changing opinion on this, I don't have friends that drink and drive (drink more than 1 and drive). There is no way I allow them and I give them no oppurtunity to do so if I'm around them and they are contemplating as such.

Good to hear ...

Opinions are like ass-holes ... everybody has one.

And dont think ANY of the drink driving laws will soften ... they can ONLY get tougher ...

The laws are written to suit the "lowest common denominator's" in society ...

BUT ... If attitude ... AND behaviour of ALL ... improved ... that may not happen ...

I have MY opinion on the chances of that happening too ... and I'll need to dress warmly

[StoneY]

Oh, and Stoney - jam it up your arse ya pussy.

Oooooo struck a nerve have I?

[Viscount Montgomery]

What sort of naive dimwit thinks that dropping alcohol limits by changing and fiddling digits on paper from 0.8 to 0.5 is gonna stop the same old same old shit-heads and general dregs of society from getting rotten pissed and driving the roads whenever the fuck they feel like it???

Do people here think that the drunk/speeding/weaving/sneering/tyre-smoking shit-heads who are doing the actual killing and crashing on the roads out there GIVE A FUCK about rules or the law???

Yes, lets just target and attack the other 90% of responsible road users out there in an attempt to rape an extra few million bucks worth of sleazy fines from the law-abiding public.

Yes, let's all move forward. Joe or Josephine Bloggs who has had 2 or 3 cans of beer or a glass of wine on a Friday after work before heading safely and quietly home should be fucken strung-up or shot.

That'll leave less cars on the roads and more room out there for the REAL drunken shit-heads to carry on doing their thing with less chance of hitting other vehicles. Lets all agree and rubber-stamp this 0.5 thing into law immediately. We'll all be a lot safer then

[scumdog]

What sort of naive dimwit thinks that dropping alcohol limits by changing and fiddling digits on paper from 0.8 to 0.5 is gonna stop the same old same old shit-heads and general dregs of society from getting rotten pissed and driving the roads whenever the fuck they feel like it???

Do people here think that the drunk/speeding/weaving/sneering/tyre-smoking shit-heads who are doing the actual killing and crashing on the roads out there GIVE A FUCK about rules or the law???

Yes, lets just target and attack the other 90% of responsible road users out there in an attempt to rape an extra few million bucks worth of sleazy fines from the law-abiding public.

Yes, let's all move forward. Joe or Josephine Bloggs who has had 2 or 3 cans of beer or a glass of wine on a Friday after work before heading safely and quietly home should be fucken strung-up or shot.

That'll leave less cars on the roads and more room out there for the REAL drunken shit-heads to carry on doing their thing with less chance of hitting other vehicles. Lets all agree and rubber-stamp this 0.5 thing into law immediately. We'll all be a lot safer then

I tried the same logic with regard to gun ownership...

Got as much traction as your rant will.

[Genestho]

What sort of naive dimwit thinks that dropping alcohol limits by changing and fiddling digits on paper from 0.8 to 0.5 is gonna stop the same old same old shit-heads and general dregs of society from getting rotten pissed and driving the roads whenever the fuck they feel like it???

Do people here think that the drunk/speeding/weaving/sneering/tyre-smoking shit-heads who are doing the actual killing and crashing on the roads out there GIVE A FUCK about rules or the law???

Yes, lets just target and attack the other 90% of responsible road users out there in an attempt to rape an extra few million bucks worth of sleazy fines from the law-abiding public.

Yes, let's all move forward. Joe or Josephine Bloggs who has had 2 or 3 cans of beer or a glass of wine on a Friday after work before heading safely and quietly home should be fucken strung-up or shot.

That'll leave less cars on the roads and more room out there for the REAL drunken shit-heads to carry on doing their thing with less chance of hitting other vehicles. Lets all agree and rubber-stamp this 0.5 thing into law immediately. We'll all be a lot safer then

Many people agree with you - that particular lowering limits law is not going through I personally agree with you based on the data I found.
If you read the earlier Q and A's link in my last post, it tells you what's happening...youth, recidivism, alcohol interlocks and a raft of other things on the side, this is on a 10 year cycle.

Lowering limits complete data was not available and so, collection of all BAC readings including between 0.5-0.8 for the purpose of research - needed to be legislated for, and in two years once that data is collected - no doubt the issue will be revisited..

Have a happy

[p.dath]

What sort of naive dimwit thinks that dropping alcohol limits by changing and fiddling digits on paper from 0.8 to 0.5 is gonna stop the same old same old shit-heads and general dregs of society from getting rotten pissed and driving the roads whenever the fuck they feel like it???
...
Lets all agree and rubber-stamp this 0.5 thing into law immediately. We'll all be a lot safer then

I tend to agree, that changing the limit from 0.8 to 0.5 is not going to cause a massive change.

However, you realise this isn't what was changed in the law?

[StoneY]

I tend to agree, that changing the limit from 0.8 to 0.5 is not going to cause a massive change.

However, you realise this isn't what was changed in the law?

That's true Phil
However it is being studied and assessed as an option to bring NZ into line with the rest of the western democracies who police the roads for drunk driving
NZ is one of the last with a .8 blood limit, which is arguably more accurate an assessment than the breath limits

So I have been told anyway, from sources that have more information than most.
Sadly, the limit has to be generic, and cant be catered for those with higher tolerances.
It has to be set to catch those who get pissed on 2 glasses, and I for one have no issue with that fact whatsoever. Its all about the rights of EVERY road user to be safe, not about the rights of the few that CAN drink more and handle themselves to have a pass card...that's what being part of a society is about.

My 0.02