Motorcycle Advisory Council launches new website and brand

[bogan]

But conversely in this case they are singling you out for benefit.

That remains to be seen, I'd be a lot more inclined to agree if my concerns in post #49 were addressed.

[flyingcrocodile46]

That remains to be seen, I'd be a lot more inclined to agree if my concerns in post #49 were addressed.

Your concerns in post 49 are unfounded (at this point in time) as they haven't even happened and there is (as far as I am aware) nothing of substance to suggest that they will. Do you stop doing everything else (like riding your bike) simply because you can't rule out the possibility that something untoward will likely happen one day, or do you get out there and enjoy the ride until more tangible evidence comes along?

[bogan]

Your concerns in post 49 are unfounded (at this point in time) as they haven't even happened and there is (as far as I am aware) nothing of substance to suggest that they will. Do you stop doing everything else (like riding your bike) simply because you can't rule out the possibility that something untoward will likely happen one day, or do you get out there and enjoy the ride until more tangible evidence comes along?

And I'd like it to stay that way. However the site reads as if any and all proposals should go through them, no mention of the fact that ACC can fund some out of the general pool. Will MOTO NZ pass on proposals to ACC for access to their general funds? or will they advise those eligible to apply to ACC instead? or will they just make a call on which are most deserving of their funds and go with them? It seems to me that this is something that should be addressed.

Going with your example, I realise that something untoward might happen, so take steps to avoid it, like learning to ride better, and riding within my limits etc. I would like to see MOTO NZ take steps to avoid the above untoward circumstance.

[flyingcrocodile46]

And I'd like it to stay that way. However the site reads as if any and all proposals should go through them, no mention of the fact that ACC can fund some out of the general pool. Will MOTO NZ pass on proposals to ACC for access to their general funds? or will they advise those eligible to apply to ACC instead? or will they just make a call on which are most deserving of their funds and go with them? It seems to me that this is something that should be addressed.

It seems to me that the issues you are concerned about here won't get advanced unless they are put to Moto NZ. Have you any thoughts as to how Moto NZ should be made aware of your concerns (outside of inviting them to come here to respond). Or is it your intent that these (as yet fictional) concerns should only be voiced where they are unlikely to see them?

Going with your example, I realise that something untoward might happen, so take steps to avoid it, like learning to ride better, and riding within my limits etc. I would like to see MOTO NZ take steps to avoid the above untoward circumstance.

Right. So why don't you get on your bike (read as go ask Moto NZ instead of us)?

[bogan]

It seems to me that the issues you are concerned about here won't get advanced unless they are put to Moto NZ. Have you any thoughts as to how Moto NZ should be made aware of your concerns (outside of inviting them to come here to respond). Or is it your intent that these (as yet fictional) concerns should only be voiced where they are unlikely to see them?

Yeh I plan on contacting them through the site, but figure it can't hurt to air my concerns here in case I've got it wrong, or overlooked something (it has happened before ).

[Smifffy]

What an interesting website MotoNZ is, I disagree with at least one of the examples they use on there action page, but not going to comment on that here. The other thing I find interesting is that they have the sign up for updates advertisement on every page. this to me show's a sign of a self serving organisation which wants people to sign up so that they can say look at us, we have X'000's of people who are interested and support us. One contact page would be enough. However in saying that I'm totally against the seperate levy, and most if anything that comes from it could have been acheived from the general levy, or through other organisation's/ GOVT departments that already exist.

I for one well not sign up for updates as I do not want to be counted as one of those who buy into the singling out of motorcyclist's.

Agreed, I will be interested to see whether my email addy gets added to their mailing list since I used their contact form to ask them questions regarding my concerns over their 'action' page.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Yeh I plan on contacting them through the site, but figure it can't hurt to air my concerns here in case I've got it wrong, or overlooked something (it has happened before ).

That is good to hear as skeptical readers might otherwise misinterpret your intentions as simply mischievous.

[Usarka]

Yeh I plan on contacting them through the site, but figure it can't hurt to air my concerns here in case I've got it wrong, or overlooked something (it has happened before ).

I think your concerns are valid. Even if that's not the intention now, governments and ACC are quite good at changing things later, and the first step is the hardest.

Your concerns in post 49 are unfounded (at this point in time) as they haven't even happened and there is (as far as I am aware) nothing of substance to suggest that they will. Do you stop doing everything else (like riding your bike) simply because you can't rule out the possibility that something untoward will likely happen one day, or do you get out there and enjoy the ride until more tangible evidence comes along?

That's a tad ostrich-ish. Do you wear protective gear when you ride? If so why, do you have substancial evidence to show that you're going to crash? No. You see it as a possibility and therefore take measures to mitigate the risk, which is precisely what bogan is trying to do.

There are two separate issues at play 1) the work of the new council which has yet to be proven but at this point has no evidence to suggest anything negative, and 2) the way the government is shafting motorcyclists especially under a "no fault" system, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that they will continue to do this.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I think your concerns are valid. Even if that's not the intention now, governments and ACC are quite good at changing things later, and the first step is the hardest.

And making a difference is easier from the inside than the outside.

That's a tad ostrich-ish. Do you wear protective gear when you ride? If so why, do you have substancial evidence to show that you're going to crash? No. You see it as a possibility and therefore take measures to mitigate the risk, which is precisely what bogan is trying to do.

Now he has said he is going to ask his questions where he is likely to receive informed answers I would agree. Prior to his last post however it appeared that he was refusing to get on his bike and ride.. period.

[bogan]

Now he has said he is going to ask his questions where he is likely to receive informed answers I would agree. Prior to his last post however it appeared that he was refusing to get on his bike and ride.. period.

Perhaps that is a reason to address the posted content, rather than make assumptions about the poster

[Fatt Max]

There are two separate issues at play 1) the work of the new council which has yet to be proven but at this point has no evidence to suggest anything negative, and 2) the way the government is shafting motorcyclists especially under a "no fault" system, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that they will continue to do this.

Totally agree with this one. And good on Bogan for making the right noises. I've registered on the site and will continue to ask questions as they arise. My intial correspondance was to congratulate them for putting the site up in the first place as a lot of concern was expressed as to how the council could be questioned.

I have said before and will say again, I am against the levy and all other stealth taxes applied to bikers but I do see this site as a spy glass to utlise as a lobbying tool. I beleive we must continue to monitor statistics (and their sources of course) to see what action is taken as the crash rate comes down (a reduction in levy would be the first one out of the traps).

I know Bogan and the MAG guys will continue their work in this area and keep us all informed as they go, just as long as the petty swiping and jibing at them does not detract them from their work (I dont think it will as most of the bullshit directed at them and others fighting the fight is exactly that).

Keep at them on this through their site. Follow up, question, argue, shout, holler and debate. Be a fucking pain in the arse (we can ALL do that) because there are people on that council who have sworn to do what is right and make sure the right thing is done. Support them in their work and, above all, make the results matter.

This website is a conduit for communication. Lets test and measure it.

Peace xx

[Katman]

Climbing on board with the effort to improve poor m/c crash stats may be seen as a sell-out. But is it, really? If these efforts (whatever they are) work, then a whole lot of riders, and their friends and families will not have to suffer as many tragedies. Isn't that a good thing?

Even if it didn't achieve any change in the governments attitude towards us we'd still be winning.

[Smifffy]

My Feedback, posted to their email:

Hello, thank you for the website.

I will follow the developments with much interest, and hope that news updates become more frequent with time.

I am somewhat puzzled by the 'action' section of the website, as it appears largely incongruent with the new name/motto of your organisation.

Motorcyclists own the options. When I read the list of 'actions' I see:
Better roads
Surface hazards
Signage
What you hit (dangerous roadside features)
Getting seen
Better riding

Of all of these options, the only ones that I feel I 'own' as a motorcyclist, are the undertaking of training, and the wearing of hi-vis, all of the remainder are owned by other people/departments/entities. Is Moto NZ in a position to determine the priorities of these other entities, such as roading providers/contractors?

I feel that if motorcyclists do own the options, then the specific options should be made clear.

Sincerely

[MSTRS:Me]

Perhaps that is a reason to address the posted content, rather than make assumptions about the poster

Ya what? Play the ball, not the man? You are joking, right?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Ya what? Play the ball, not the man? You are joking, right?

Some of you know no shame (with your bald faced pkb's) and focus so much on interfering with the ball and deliberately playing offside (or on the wrong field altogether) in an effort to confuse others and detract from REAL issues that the game itself becomes unrecognisable. One can't help but question whether you are team players with an honorable objective or simply playing with yourselves for the benefit of an audience.

You in particular I have no doubt about.