Kiwi Biker Scholarship?

[cowpoos]

There is a lot of Kiwibiker members, if we all got together and put $100 in it would go a long way toward offering a young rider a race bike and maybe some tyres to go pro light racing?
We could get the bike stickered up with the members names that put the $$ in.

What would you pick up a cheap ex250 for and get it on the track? $6000 entry fees + some tyres I think 10k would cover it. 100 members $100 each? All the person has to do is get the bike to the track and im sure plenty of the racers would offer a hand in that.

nope....I think its a silly Idea

[gixerracer]

nope....I think its a silly Idea

What about for a Superbike rider then

[cowpoos]

What about for a Superbike rider then

We could do a bit of a hand around for some funds for a trophy for a superbike race during the year...we could call it the C**g Sh*#$$@ffs handicap???

[roadracingoldfart]

We could do a bit of a hand around for some funds for a trophy for a superbike race during the year...we could call it the C**g Sh*#$$@ffs handicap???

I know a handicapped guy named that same name Poo's , just give the trophy to him and save the engraving fee.

[neil_cb125t]

What about for a Superbike rider then

its funny how money and support seem to always go to those who are entering the sport and not those that are actually promoting it......

[gixerracer]

its funny how money and support seem to always go to those who are entering the sport and not those that are actually promoting it......

Whar are you trying to say?

[neil_cb125t]

hmmmm maybe im being bitter (never had a free ride) - im probably also being naïve, im not sure how much support you fellas (top contenders for national champs) receive. I know prize money is extinct and even a free ride for a season is like a willy wonker golden ticket. Yet people love throwing up the idea of giving a newbie a totally free ride.

The problem with free rides to newbies is once the free season is over they have no idea what it takes (money, time, effort) to get onto the track. My brother received a free season on a rg – the next year dad picked up the tab and now hes “taking a break“ due to it costs too much…....?

The classes are easy and cheap enough to get to have a taste. There is support a plenty out there to get newbies on track, VMCC have 2 bikes, Billy has a few. Its more efficient for those who are approached to refer guys/girls to these avenues – it will only grow THOSE avenues. You see guys/girls with talent who have put thousands of laps, and dollars in for a national or even club level season, who ask for a mere few dollars get snobbed for asking for support. WHY?

[LMFAO]

hmmmm maybe im being bitter (never had a free ride) - im probably also being naïve, im not sure how much support you fellas (top contenders for national champs) receive. I know prize money is extinct and even a free ride for a season is like a willy wonker golden ticket. Yet people love throwing up the idea of giving a newbie a totally free ride.

The problem with free rides to newbies is once the free season is over they have no idea what it takes (money, time, effort) to get onto the track. My brother received a free season on a rg – the next year dad picked up the tab and now hes “taking a break“ due to it costs too much…....?

The classes are easy and cheap enough to get to have a taste. There is support a plenty out there to get newbies on track, VMCC have 2 bikes, Billy has a few. Its more efficient for those who are approached to refer guys/girls to these avenues – it will only grow THOSE avenues. You see guys/girls with talent who have put thousands of laps, and dollars in for a national or even club level season, who ask for a mere few dollars get snobbed for asking for support. WHY?

this is a bloody good point and sorta does change my opinion. when i was 17 i was racing mx nationally out of my own pocket on minimum wage sso there is no excuse why a young person cant afford it

there are few riders at the moment that i can see may do well for nz internationally maybe jayden cause he is young and fast but he is a bit big but it doesnt worry him now and camier is tall spies is sorta. jake lewis is impressive. i really like johnny small

[SWERVE]

Some very valid points here. If you want to raise $10,000 to help a youngster such as Daniel Mettam - Jake Lewis who have already proven their intentions to race at real professional level (jake should be joining daniel for 3 rounds of the European Junior Cup) thats great and it would be a brilliant thing
But if you want to keep the money in NZ supporting one specific rider at club/national level would be counter-productive and as others have said give them a false idea of the commitment/money needed to race proper. And whats to stop them having one paid season then giving up due to reduced finances the following year.
That kind of money would be better raised to help introduce lots of younsters into the sport at grass roots level by helping training programs such as MCC Junior development or Vic club scholership etc. This way many youngsters could benefit and the natural selection process would see those who are commited and those not.Which means you WOULD see a return(s)/ results on your time & money from one or more parties.
These programs are run by volenteers and usually on a very limited budget.... and look what has been achieved already. Imagine what $10,000 and 100 people with a vested interest in their donation could achieve.
And this would not just last one season it would greate the future of NZ racing and possibly some more to follow Daniel & Jake..........

[oyster]

Merv is right on it.
Cash handouts, scholarships and exclusive little training groups are proven as a waste of time. Well proven in the south is that all that's needed is for clubs to create the right environment. Once that's done it'll thrive. There's no shortage of young riders, talent and money. Why people outside of Canterbury persist in ignoring this proven simple formula and try to reinvent the wheel puzzles me.

[jellywrestler]

I know prize money is extinct

Prize money extinct??
I arranged $1000 for the 600 class at the Manfeild nationals, stood up at riders briefing and asked all competitors in the class to wear a sponsors sticker as they needed looking after and they were at the track too.
One third of them did not bother to display a sticker for the first race.
You can lead a horse to water....

[Kickaha]

Prize money extinct??
I arranged $1000 for the 600 class at the Manfeild nationals, stood up at riders briefing and asked all competitors in the class to wear a sponsors sticker as they needed looking after and they were at the track too.
One third of them did not bother to display a sticker for the first race.
You can lead a horse to water....

All the bikes that didn't carry the sticker should have been excluded from the prize money

[jellywrestler]

All the bikes that didn't carry the sticker should have been excluded from the prize money

Not the point Kick and the reality was that most of, but not all those who didn't wear one weren't really in the hunt.
I pushed for the money, and for the club to accept it, made the call which class and to have it for all 600's on the track rather than superstock/supersport and as such I wanted to do my best for the sponsor.
Anyway, it's not really thread about this shit is it...

[CHOPPA]

Prize money extinct??
I arranged $1000 for the 600 class at the Manfeild nationals, stood up at riders briefing and asked all competitors in the class to wear a sponsors sticker as they needed looking after and they were at the track too.
One third of them did not bother to display a sticker for the first race.
You can lead a horse to water....

The only reason I wouldnt put the sticker on is if it clashed with one of my existing sponsors like at Ruapuna we were supposed to put suzuki stickers on the bike....

In oz if you dont have the sticker on they wont let you on the track. Dunlop has to be on your front fender in a certain place, QBE and Viking. Its very strict and there is no tolerence

[schrodingers cat]

Merv is right on it.
Cash handouts, scholarships and exclusive little training groups are proven as a waste of time.

The biggest talent a rider can bring to the sport is their wallet. Or the desire and skill set to get others to open their wallet

Seeking sponsorship as an alternative to other advertising forms in New Zealand is a waste of time. The market is too small and (gasp) the interest of the public compared to other sports is virtually zero.

Why doesn't the sport get any coverage? Because the advertising/media outlets have done their homework and know that there is more interest out there in a bottom of the league basketball game than a motorcycle race.

Also, the cost of running a race vehicle capable of generating any interest (ie TV time or media images where the brand is clearly displayed) compared to the cost of putting a logo on a sports team where 11 - 15 players have the logo clearly displayed for 90min makes it a no brainer.

Don't dispair children.

In New Zealand the model you need to buy into is attracting a patron/mentor. Someone with money and an interest in YOU as well as some interest in the sport who would rather enjoy being invovled in the journey (The 'ride' as it were) than paying tax.

Think of any product/money you ever get as an investment in the GIVERS entertainment. If they give you $100 are you going to give them more pleasure than 2 or 3 reasonable bottles of wine or 6 Hollywood movies?
If they give you $500 are you going to ensure their contribution buys them more pleasure than a days skiing?
Realise that
a. The 'sponser' probably isn't really expecting true commercial return from their spend so don't try to justify that. The exposure your branding can achieve in a drop in the ocean
b. You get the pleasure of doing what you love. How are you sharing the love?

If you mange to get your sponsor/patron to the track what do you do to ensure their enjoyment? Are they welcomed into the team environment? Do you provide food and drink for them? What do you do to ensure their family members enjoy the day?

This is where young people and money on the whole fall down. Accustomed to being given everything they think that it is their unbelievable talent that is being rewarded, take the money and complain.