General bitch (oops, I mean discussion) about bikers thread

[Ocean1]

She owned her crash, accepted that there were a number of contributory factors, the biggest one/s being herself. She complained about the lack of warning signage, which was the only physical change made on that corner. One can only guess at how many possible crashes were averted by that simple expedient.

Les't see, here. The fact that she publicly suggested that she felt she didn't have the experience to have avoided an accident made a couple of people happy. It contributed absolutely nothing to any improvements in safety.

The fact that she identified and highlighted one of the environmental causes, on the other hand has resulted in improvements likely to help prevent further accidents.

So the benefit of her "ownership" of her misfortune is what, exactly? And as a matter of interest; how much bullying did it require for her to make that announcement?

[Spearfish]

557

and counting

[yungatart]

And as a matter of interest; how much bullying did it require for her to make that announcement?

WTF???? You are seriously deluded if you think I could be bullied into making a post on here , if I didn't want to. We have never met obviously...and you had better hope that we don't in future.
I am not a keyboard warrior, I will say in person far worse than I would ever post on here.

Pathetic! Offensive little worm!
You have seriously gone down in my estimation with that cheap shot (not that you rated very highly in the first instance).

[Spearfish]

WTF???? You are seriously deluded if you think I could be bullied into making a post on herte , if I didn't want to. We have never met obviously...and you had better hope that we don't in future.
I am not a keyboard warrior, I will say in person far worse than I would ever post on here.

Pathetic! Offensive little worm!
You have seriously gone down in my estimation with that cheap shot (not that you rated very highly in the first instance).

I read the bit about bullying differently, as in none, to make you talk about your event.
I'm not saying I read it right though...or am I?....no!...yeah?...shyt...

[Ocean1]

WTF???? You are seriously deluded if you think I could be bullied into making a post on herte , if I didn't want to.

Oh I knew that. My point was that your analysis of your experience was freely given, and therefore likely to be unaffected by the expectations and prejudices of others. And that bullying those who had experienced an accident into "admitting" that they were "to blame" for it is not only offensive but unlikely to produce anything of any value to anyone.

[MSTRS:Me]

Les't see, here. The fact that she publicly suggested that she felt she didn't have the experience to have avoided an accident made a couple of people happy. It contributed absolutely nothing to any improvements in safety.

How the fuck can you claim any of that?
You have NO IDEA who has taken what message from her experience.

The fact that she identified and highlighted one of the environmental causes, on the other hand has resulted in improvements likely to help prevent further accidents.

In the interests of truth, it was I who complained, and I who thanked the district authorities for acting.

Dear Cagney
Thank you for speaking with me. Map & photos are attached. The corner I refer to would be the most dangerous one a motorcyclist could come across - namely a left hander, that tightens into a blind hairpin, whilst at the same time dropping from level ground into a fairly steep downhill. Exascerbating the issue is the fact that all the chip in the uphill lane has been pressed into the tar, leaving smooth shiny patches meaning there is greatly reduced grip for anyone unwary/unfortunate enough to cross the centre line.
It is my opinion that this corner urgently needs attention, especially a warning sign for those motorists travelling towards 8 MIle Junction. This sign should show a hairpin arrow and a suggested speed of 25kph.
I was with a small group of motorcyclists travelling to New Plymouth on 22 Dec 2006 when one of our number entered this corner at approx 40kph and could not get around it, subsequently dropping their bike which was moderately damaged and personally sustaining a broken leg and thumb. Whilst waiting for 'rescue' we witnessed at least 3 cars run wide for the same reason. It was only luck that no-one was in the opposing uphill lane each time. Our rescuer is a motorcyclist from New Plymouth and he informed us that this corner has a 'reputation' among the riders who use the road regularly.
I look forward to a positive outcome for my concerns.

Follow up:
I was the person who brought your attention to a dangerous corner on the above link road. I travelled this road last weekend and was extremely pleased to see that you have taken my concern seriously and installed warning and speed advisory signs. I thank you on behalf of all roadusers.
Regards

So the benefit of her "ownership" of her misfortune is what, exactly?

She is a better rider for having accepted her 'failing' - and for having done something about upskilling, in order to avoid a repetition.

And as a matter of interest; how much bullying did it require for her to make that announcement?

She has answered that. I will just add my disgust that you could even post such a slimy, distasteful piece of crap.

[flyingcrocodile46]

It does, if it makes others think about their own accidents/incidents and attitudes to riding....which it does.

Equally it has the exact opposite effect when the target audience takes affront at the arrogance of the speaker. The message is automatically discredited as valueless because of the distaste felt toward the messenger.

I believe that is really the point as to why many people get pissed off at Katman and his ignorant approach. Some of us see that the ignorance in his delivery of the message as more damaging to the biking community than good.

It's a matter of intelligence. Just because a Parrot can talk doesn't mean he is intelligent or that his message has value.

I read the bit about bullying differently, as in none, to make you talk about your event.
I'm not saying I read it right though...or am I?....no!...yeah?...shyt...

Yes I too read it differently, but you have to expect that a woman would read it differently to how a man wrote it. That is how the world spins. Males and females just don't seem to be able to interpret the same thing the same way.

They (like scatman) also unsuccessfully use the primitive tool of nagging people... and ignoring reality.

[flyingcrocodile46]

In the interests of truth

You aren't qualified to speak on the subject

it was I who complained

No surprise there

and I who thanked the district authorities for acting.

Feeling a mixture of mild surprise and disbelief at that one... mostly the later

She has answered that. I will just add my disgust that you could even post such a slimy, distasteful piece of crap.

Hardly surprising that you would interpret it incorrectly.

It seems pretty clear to me that he meant that it was very unlikely that her declaration was the result of the style of message delivery that scatman reverts to. In fact it would seem by the affront expressed that the point is well demonstrated.

[flyingcrocodile46]

How the fuck can you claim any of that?
You have NO IDEA who has taken what message from her experience.

Then equally 'you' can't have any idea as to how people might take scatman's messages. Yet that doesn't stop you from stating that you do.

Refer to point one of previous post

Having said that.. and seeing the silent response from the mouth, I guess KB management and I wont have to wait too long to see point two illustrated... again

[yungatart]

In the interests of truth, it was I who complained, and I who thanked the district authorities for acting.

At my request, after much discussion as to how we could make sure others didn't suffer the same fate as me.
Interestingly, a bus driver who rounded the corner soon after me claimed that many a rider had gone down in the same spot, why no one had reported it is beyond me.

Equally it has the exact opposite effect when the target audience takes affront at the arrogance of the speaker. The message is automatically discredited as valueless because of the distaste felt toward the messenger.

I believe that is really the point as to why many people get pissed off at Katman and his ignorant approach. Some of us see that the ignorance in his delivery of the message as more damaging to the biking community than good.




They (like scatman) also unsuccessfully use the primitive tool of nagging people.

In Katmans early days on here, I too, berated him for his approach, for his 'incessant' and 'repetitive' posts that make all who read them switch off.
The process of repetition coupled with Katman's unwavering attitude has indeed changed my mind, and made me think.
In fact, I probably would have been like so many others on here, blaming everything for my off, without looking for what I could have done differently, if not for him.

It seems pretty clear to me that he meant that it was very unlikely that her declaration was the result of the style of message delivery that scatman reverts to. In fact it would seem by the affront expressed that the point is well demonstrated.

You aren't qualified to speak on the subject of what he meant, unless of course, you are so far up his arse that you have become his mouthpiece.

[Edbear]

...In Katmans early days on here, I too, berated him for his approach, for his 'incessant' and 'repetitive' posts that make all who read them switch off.
The process of repetition coupled with Katman's unwavering attitude has indeed changed my mind, and made me think.
In fact, I probably would have been like so many others on here, blaming everything for my off, without looking for what I could have done differently, if not for him.
.

Katman and I got off on the wrong foot too. Recently we've been able to understand each other better. His message about personal responsibility was marred by his delivery which upset others. However I think he may be modifying his approach a bit and despite his original aggravating style the subject has had good debate on this thread with many good points made among the angst and flaming.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You aren't qualified to speak on the subject of what he meant, unless of course, you are so far up his arse that you have become his mouthpiece.

I doubt that is a position that anyone will find themselves in as he would have to extract himself first to make room
BTW all credit to you for your approach to your accident. No different to how I or anyone else looks at our own contribution to negative outcomes. I started doing that many years ago in relation to non biking incidents (non accidents). It's just common sense and a matter of accepting that it is ok to recognise your own fallibility and the benifits in doing so.

PS scatman left a self portrait on my rep page ""

[Katman]

I doubt that is a position that anyone will find themselves in as he would have to extract himself first to make room

I don't think it was my arse that yungatart was referring to.

[MSTRS:Me]

You aren't qualified to speak on the subject

Oh really? I didn't notice you being there at the time.

Feeling a mixture of mild surprise and disbelief at that one... mostly the later

Enjoy.


As for the rest of your utterings, I'm just hearing a parrot squawking.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I don't think it was my arse that yungatart was referring to.

That's ok. Neither do/did I