The welfare state

[BoristheBiter]

"lifestyle choice" is propaganda speak. Very few chose to be have nots although quite a few make choices that the consequences mean they end up there. Even then our society requires people at that level so why shouldn't it be those that chose it?
DPB was bought in to assist woman and children escape violent situations and starvation. Look at what preceded it, such as workhouses and "orphanages". Why do you think they wrote books about how bad they were?
Luck, yeah it was involved. You didn't have bad luck, so far neither have I. All the hard work in the world can still dump you at the bottom of the heap with a bit of bad luck. Hard work helps and is the right thing to do but doesn't make it certain.

Bad luck? Yes i have had my fare share, i just don't bitch about or expect someone else to pick up the bill for it.

If after a year, when all my money would run out, and i had not sorted my shit out why should you have to bail me out? you shouldn't just, like I shouldn't have to bail anyone else out.

You are right no one chooses to be a have not they just expect someone else to do the work.

[oneofsix]

Bad luck? Yes i have had my fare share, i just don't bitch about or expect someone else to pick up the bill for it.

If after a year, when all my money would run out, and i had not sorted my shit out why should you have to bail me out? you shouldn't just, like I shouldn't have to bail anyone else out.

You are right no one chooses to be a have not they just expect someone else to do the work.

Sorry but i think it is just part of a caring society to support those less fortunate however i do see it that whilst you are on welfare you are being employed by the state as per the type of welfare you are on, i.e DPB you raise the kid and if you don't then loss it or if unemployment your job is to find employment not sit around and moan.

[BoristheBiter]

Sorry but i think it is just part of a caring society to support those less fortunate however i do see it that whilst you are on welfare you are being employed by the state as per the type of welfare you are on, i.e DPB you raise the kid and if you don't then loss it or if unemployment your job is to find employment not sit around and moan.

Nothing to be sorry about, I used to think the same way until continually seeing the scum that sits around sucking on the welfare tit while others more in need and more deserving do without.

[Paul in NZ]

Like What??

I have insurance to cover me against "shit that just happens" and money in the bank in case that falls over.

If i sounds patronising then so be it, if you piss your money against the wall and spend all you earn why should I bail you out when the shit starts to stink?

No - you are seriously delusional if you think that makes you 'safe'. Granted you are safer than most but....

Companies fail, crooks are everywhere and the luck is not always with you. Perfect storms occur and people can be torn down and stomped on very quickly. If you know Jim you could do worse than listen to him as one day he will write a book about his experiences and you will realise he is a sort of financial Bear Grylls

[The Stranger:Me]

Like What??

I have insurance to cover me against "shit that just happens" and money in the bank in case that falls over.

If i sounds patronising then so be it, if you piss your money against the wall and spend all you earn why should I bail you out when the shit starts to stink?

Did you stop to consider that you have been very lucky then?
Most people of wealth and power won't entertain the notion that it was by and large priviledge and luck that got them where they are.
It was hard work and diligence they would have you believe.

Well yes it was, but it was luck they were born with those traits. It was luck that they had a particular up bringing that instilled those values and it was luck that society values what they have to offer.

I don't see eye with my old man. We have only just started talking agian after many years and it is strained and infrequent. But one thing I thank him for frequently is that he taught me how to work hard. Although I have been very lucky and much of that luck has come from hard work, foresight and diligence I do realise that I have my father to thank for so much of that.
I see others raised sans a functioning father and wonder who will teach them what hard work is? will they be so lucky?

There but for the grace of god go I.
Some aren't so lucky. Would a measure of compassion toward those who aren't be so bad?

[Str8 Jacket]

It's amazing the trust people place in Insurance and related companies. You can think that you're financially "secure" as much as you like and believe that you have everything planned but sometimes, when the unexpected happens - you're fucked.

[BoristheBiter]

No - you are seriously delusional if you think that makes you 'safe'. Granted you are safer than most but....

Companies fail, crooks are everywhere and the luck is not always with you. Perfect storms occur and people can be torn down and stomped on very quickly. If you know Jim you could do worse than listen to him as one day he will write a book about his experiences and you will realise he is a sort of financial Bear Grylls

I never have had a go at him, all i said was why should i bail him out?? what makes him so special compared with joe nextdoor.

[Str8 Jacket]

what makes him so special compared with joe nextdoor.

Because we don't give a fuck about Joe next door. Jim on the other hand......

[BoristheBiter]

Did you stop to consider that you have been very lucky then?
Most people of wealth and power won't entertain the notion that it was by and large priviledge and luck that got them where they are.
It was hard work and diligence they would have you believe.

Well yes it was, but it was luck they were born with those traits. It was luck that they had a particular up bringing that instilled those values and it was luck that society values what they have to offer.

I don't see eye with my old man. We have only just started talking agian after many years and it is strained and infrequent. But one thing I thank him for frequently is that he taught me how to work hard. Although I have been very lucky and much of that luck has come from hard work, foresight and diligence I do realise that I have my father to thank for so much of that.
I see others raised sans a functioning father and wonder who will teach them what hard work is? will they be so lucky?

There but for the grace of god go I.
Some aren't so lucky. Would a measure of compassion toward those who aren't be so bad?

No, I have not had any more luck, good or bad, than anyone else.

Funny how good luck and hard work go hand in hand.

Many people might think i am lucky to have what i do, i just think it was hard work and the fact that i am very tight with my money helps a lot too.

[Katman]

and you will realise he is a sort of financial Bear Grylls

I want to see him eat a jar full of live money spiders then.

[BoristheBiter]

Because we don't give a fuck about Joe next door. Jim on the other hand......

So why should i give a fuck about Jim? (no offence JD)
To me he is just joe nextdoor with his hand out.

[Str8 Jacket]

So why should i give a fuck about Jim? (no offence JD)
To me he is just joe nextdoor with his hand out.

You aint named Boris the Biter for nothing, are ya!

You continue to live in your perfect world but when everything goes belly up and you end up in strife regardless of your awesome planning, saving etc don't complain!

Got it?

[short-circuit]

you're a fucking dickhead. a tryhard whingeing dickhead. i'd kick you in the cunt if i was unfortunate enough to meet you.

+1 At least Dean and DB are a source of amusement...and not south african

[Brian d marge]

Ill add this , from a book written by a famous "Im not quite dead yet " smart person

The people in the culture of poverty have a strong feeling of marginality, of helplessness, of dependency, of not belonging. They are like aliens in their own country, convinced that the existing institutions do not serve their interests and needs. Along with this feeling of powerlessness is a widespread feeling of inferiority, of personal unworthiness. This is true of the slum dwellers of Mexico City, who do not constitute a distinct ethnic or racial group and do not suffer from racial discrimination. In the United States the culture of poverty that exists in the Negroes has the additional disadvantage of racial discrimination. People with a culture of poverty have very little sense of history. They are a marginal people who know only their own troubles, their own local conditions, their own neighborhood, their own way of life. Usually, they have neither the knowledge, the vision nor the ideology to see the similarities between their problems and those of others like themselves elsewhere in the world. In other words, they are not class conscious, although they are very sensitive indeed to status distinctions. When the poor become class conscious or members of trade union organizations, or when they adopt an internationalist outlook on the world they are, in my view, no longer part of the culture of poverty although they may still be desperately poor. (Lewis 1998)


this is just a wee bit to hopefully start people thinking . It all ties in and the causes ( dates time and names !) are clear , as are the effects.

I have a few Jesus boots left , loin cloths , well you have to provide those yourself.

Stephen

[SMOKEU]

+1 At least Dean and DB are a source of amusement...and not south african

What have you got against Africans?