I agree with Alasdair Thompson

**aprilia_RS250** · 23rd June 2011, 12:41

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10734009

Tend to agree with this guy because at my work, women generally leave work a lot earlier, take longer lunches, tend to take more holiday leave and they do tend to take more sick leave too. Don't get me wrong, there are 2 or three that work as hard but a large majority is out the door once clock strikes 5.

What you fullas think?

**Paul in NZ** · 23rd June 2011, 12:54

I think that in a democracy you are free to express any opinion you want as long as it does not criticise or in anyway diminish women, jewish folks or people of colour...

plus maybe baby seals

**James Deuce** · 23rd June 2011, 12:56

Originally Posted by aprilia_RS250

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10734009

Tend to agree with this guy because at my work, women generally leave work a lot earlier, take longer lunches, tend to take more holiday leave and they do tend to take more sick leave too. Don't get me wrong, there are 2 or three that work as hard but a large majority is out the door once clock strikes 5.

What you fullas think?

I think that what you're describing is a society that doesn't encourage men to take parenting seriously, instead relying on predefined gender roles to dictate who gets to walk in the door after work and put their feet up and who sacrifices career aspirations to make sure the kids are looked after.

**Banditbandit** · 23rd June 2011, 13:45

Originally Posted by aprilia_RS250

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10734009

Tend to agree with this guy because at my work, women generally leave work a lot earlier, take longer lunches, tend to take more holiday leave and they do tend to take more sick leave too. Don't get me wrong, there are 2 or three that work as hard but a large majority is out the door once clock strikes 5.

What you fullas think?

I think you are wrong .. and I think Alisdair Thompson is full of shit ...

**bogan** · 23rd June 2011, 13:47

Originally Posted by aprilia_RS250

What you fullas think?

I think surely the fullettes (sorry hitcher) deserve a say too!

**spajohn** · 23rd June 2011, 13:57

I think the reporting on that article is a great example of the shite quality of journalism out there. Trying to see past the dramatic headline the guy does say that the facts prove that this is the case...however does that mean they should get paid less? Isn't that what leave (including sick leave) is for?

And +1 to the posters re gender roles for parenting...narrow view indeed, and although there may be more females that take this role in our household it is simply that I earn more. If there was better pay parity....

**Str8 Jacket** · 23rd June 2011, 14:02

I get paid to work 40 hours per week while doing the job of 3 people. I also get paid about 15% less than the guy who sits next to me DOING THE SAME JOB.

So, I work 6.30-3, I refuse, simply refuse to work longer than that UNLESS it effects a project directly then I will work late. BUT I will go home early the next day.

When I get home from work I do the housework, washing, preperation for dinner, put out the rubbish, feed the cat then cook, then clean up after dinner. If I had children I would be doing 10x as much - as soon as I get home from my paid job. But that's OK cause Joe Bloggs in next cubicle works the same hours as me, uses me to help him out with recommendations etc cause he's to lazy to learn how to multi task and gets paid more.

**Scuba_Steve** · 23rd June 2011, 14:04

They never fully specify what they mean??? I know most of these "women get paid less" is because women tend to work lower paid jobs so when all avg out yes they do get "paid less". But if this is about same job, same position, same work then they should get same pay but to be honest I don't know of any place that doesn't do that already, does anyone???

**James Deuce** · 23rd June 2011, 14:19

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

They never fully specify what they mean??? I know most of these "women get paid less" is because women tend to work lower paid jobs so when all avg out yes they do get "paid less". But if this is about same job, same position, same work then they should get same pay but to be honest I don't know of any place that doesn't do that already, does anyone???

Yes. Many examples where I work over the last 10 years where women have left the private sector for public sector roles and equivalent wages to male co-workers. One woman doing the same job as me was earning 30% less than me. People forget that in the private sector there is NO guarantee that you are being paid a like wage or salary for a job that is comparable to other people in your team. Apparently it is up to the employee to set expectations. So that will skew results for private sector survey results as well as the gender issue.

You'll note in the document below that the public sector pays women slightly less than the private sector.

The wage gap is literally that. Women get paid less for doing the same job.

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&sou...aOedug&cad=rja

**oneofsix** · 23rd June 2011, 14:23

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Yes. Many examples where I work over the last 10 years where women have left the private sector for public sector roles and equivalent wages to male co-workers. One woman doing the same job as me was earning 30% less than me. People forget that in the private sector there is NO guarantee that you are being paid a like wage or salary for a job that is comparable to other people in your team. Apparently it is up to the employee to set expectations. So that will skew results for private sector survey results as well as the gender issue.

You'll note in the document below that the public sector pays women slightly less than the private sector.

The wage gap is literally that. Women get paid less for doing the same job.

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&sou...aOedug&cad=rja

Bring back unions and collectives with wage scales then the employer doesn't get to play games with how much they pay for the same job.

**Scuba_Steve** · 23rd June 2011, 14:40

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Yes. Many examples where I work over the last 10 years where women have left the private sector for public sector roles and equivalent wages to male co-workers. One woman doing the same job as me was earning 30% less than me. People forget that in the private sector there is NO guarantee that you are being paid a like wage or salary for a job that is comparable to other people in your team. Apparently it is up to the employee to set expectations. So that will skew results for private sector survey results as well as the gender issue.

You'll note in the document below that the public sector pays women slightly less than the private sector.

The wage gap is literally that. Women get paid less for doing the same job.

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&sou...aOedug&cad=rja

Alot of that went on about what I mentioned, women are just in lower paid jobs so of course they're "avg pay" will be lower it's stupid to think it wouldn't be. But the comparable job thing I can kinda see.
I haven't been round many work places but the ones I have & do know about if the guy & chick are in the same position they're getting paid the same (relatively speaking) I find it surprising there are places where they're not.

**Str8 Jacket** · 23rd June 2011, 14:42

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I haven't been round many work places but the ones I have & do know about if the guy & chick are in the same position they're getting paid the same (relatively speaking) I find it surprising there are places where they're not.

Mate, there are many instances like this happening everywhere!

**Scuba_Steve** · 23rd June 2011, 14:48

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Mate, there are many instances like this happening everywhere!

hey I'm sure they're are I have just never encountered them in any of the jobs I've worked for, nor any I know about.

**jasonu** · 23rd June 2011, 15:20

Originally Posted by spajohn

I think the reporting on that article is a great example of the shite quality of journalism out there. Trying to see past the dramatic headline the guy does say that the facts prove that this is the case...however does that mean they should get paid less? Isn't that what leave (including sick leave) is for?

And +1 to the posters re gender roles for parenting...narrow view indeed, and although there may be more females that take this role in our household it is simply that I earn more. If there was better pay parity....

Yep shitty reporting. 4 out of the 5 MP quotes were from female MP's. Lopsided reporting in my opinion.

**mashman** · 23rd June 2011, 15:29

it's business. Not personal.

Don't complain about it, just take 2 Evening Primrose Oil pills, and I'll see you next week...

Originally Posted by James Deuce

I think that what you're describing is a society that doesn't encourage men to take parenting seriously, instead relying on predefined gender roles to dictate who gets to walk in the door after work and put their feet up and who sacrifices career aspirations to make sure the kids are looked after.

Oh... I wish it were as easy as that

... I'd switch in a heartbeat.