Road Cops on TV3 (4 July)

[Kickaha]

There are lots of stupid people out there, I am one of them.

Obviously

All paid up now but just goes to show how affective they really are

Just goes to show are dumb you are more like

[Mad-V2]

Obviously
Just goes to show are dumb you are more like

Yes I already said that
Its so nice to meet perfect people such as yourself. (actually no, you sound like a right cum swapper)
All I'm saying is the system obviously doesn't work now, and if ya take some guys vehicle off him, he can go get another one.
Make him work on government funded community projects, and I think you'll get your money faster.
For example your not paying a professional painter to paint a bus stop shelter $30 an hour for a job anyone, even Kickaha could do for free.
These projects already exist and all you need to do is have people register their organization with the courts. They know what we do for a living as the police ask that on routine stops so the courts can assign you to work according to your occupation.
Anyway Waaa Waaaa Waaaaaa FTW!!!

[JimO]

$30 a hr, not likely

[Kickaha]

All I'm saying is the system obviously doesn't work now,

It doesn't work now because of a lack of enforcement and the fact they let wankers rack up that much in fines, I'm sure even the dumbest cunt will work out once he's had his 2nd, 3rd or even 4th vehicle confiscated he/she will work out they aren't going to win this one

[Mad-V2]

FFS!! I said "for example"

For example your not paying a professional painter to paint a bus stop shelter $30 an hour.....

[scracha]

For example your not paying a professional painter to paint a bus stop shelter $30 an hour for a job anyone, even Kickaha could do for free.

If the scheme wasn't such a crock of shit I'd partly be in a agreement.

A fellow KBer who I shall not name left myself and a few other KBers open mouthed when he told us he'd amassed fines of around $15,000. The court then gave him community service in an old folks home. He smirked when he told us about spending days chatting away to old people in a nice warm building drinking cups of tea and eating cakes.
We also worked out that dividing his fine by the hours worked meant he was effectively being paid over $200 per hour.

[Mad-V2]

If the scheme wasn't such a crock of shit I'd partly be in a agreement.

A fellow KBer who I shall not name left myself and a few other KBers open mouthed when he told us he'd amassed fines of around $15,000. The court then gave him community service in an old folks home. He smirked when he told us about spending days chatting away to old people in a nice warm building drinking cups of tea and eating cakes.
We also worked out that dividing his fine by the hours worked meant he was effectively being paid over $200 per hour.

Yes, that is no form of punishment.
I was thinking more along the lines of laboring work that community groups already have in place, like building a local park etc. You make the fine defaulter do all the shit kicker jobs that nobody can be bothered with like scrubbing off graffiti or pushing and loading wheelbarrows all day. That way instead of the courts getting all the money to spend on shit, you clean up the community for free and people learn a lesson.
I did PD once years ago for disqualified driving, and thats what made me move from wanganui. Nothing like working with some Black Power members to deter you from law breaking. Well that and I had to sell everything I owned to pay my fines so I could leave the country.
I agree that community service is all shit as I received 30Hours when I was 16. I never did it and never heard anything else about it after my court date. The sad thing is, the offense was drink driving. Just goes to show how much the courts care about reforming society....Fuck all! all they care about is getting their money.
Like I said I was young and dumb when I was younger, so keep the abuse to a minimum

By the way, all this would be for people who don't pay fines and if they procrastinate on any total above say $2000 ( you can get a $2000 fine in one stop)

[onearmedbandit]

Read an interesting piece on the whole traffic fines issue. The author proposed that to effectively reach people you need to inconvenience them, immediately. Put simply, if you put your hand in the fire but don't feel the burn until 3 months later you won't make the connection between the two, however if you get burnt immediately you won't stick your hand back in.

He suggested therefore that 'impounding' the vehicle for a period of time, say for 2hrs for failing to wear your seatbelt, to 24hrs for a minor speeding offence. The driver immediately makes the connection between offence and consequence, and will more than likely adjust their behaviour accordingly, rather than receiving a fine 20 days later and having another month to pay.

Only two problems with this, the first and unfortunately the easier of the two to overcome, is the actual application of the penalty. The second, and the one that will ensure something like this never happens, is the loss of revenue to the government.

[oneofsix]

Read an interesting piece on the whole traffic fines issue. The author proposed that to effectively reach people you need to inconvenience them, immediately. Put simply, if you put your hand in the fire but don't feel the burn until 3 moths later you won't make the connection between the two, however if you get burnt immediately you won't stick your hand back in.

He suggested therefore that 'impounding' the vehicle for a period of time, say for 2hrs for failing to wear your seatbelt, to 24hrs for a minor speeding offence. The driver immediately makes the connection between offence and consequence, and will more than likely adjust their behaviour accordingly, rather than receiving a fine 20 days later and having another month to pay.

Only two problems with this, the first and unfortunately the easier of the two to overcome, is the actual application of the penalty. The second, and the one that will ensure something like this never happens, is the loss of revenue to the government.

you can see your failure scenario in action in the reliance on speed cameras and increasing fines/demerits. When the cop pulls you over you are instantly inconvenienced so the co-relation bit is satisfied, no need to escalate to impounding the vehicle as this will only result in justifiable anger. With the speed camera you are allowed to continue at your chosen speed and get he fine sometime later, providing your survive the journey, if you fail to survive the estate will get fine and you certainly wont learn anything.

[onearmedbandit]

you can see your failure scenario in action in the reliance on speed cameras and increasing fines/demerits. When the cop pulls you over you are instantly inconvenienced so the co-relation bit is satisfied, no need to escalate to impounding the vehicle as this will only result in justifiable anger. With the speed camera you are allowed to continue at your chosen speed and get he fine sometime later, providing your survive the journey, if you fail to survive the estate will get fine and you certainly wont learn anything.

Getting pulled over for 5 minutes and receiving a piece of paper you shove in your glovebox is hardly inconvenient. Losing the use of your car for the next 2hrs most certainly will be. And justifiable anger? The use of the public roading system is not a right, it is a privilege, one that comes with conditions.

[oneofsix]

Getting pulled over for 5 minutes and receiving a piece of paper you shove in your glovebox is hardly inconvenient. Losing the use of your car for the next 2hrs most certainly will be. And justifiable anger? The use of the public roading system is not a right, it is a privilege, one that comes with conditions.

You take my property I kick your head in. Stopping me if even only 5 minutes is an inconvenience and upsets my day, you have stolen anything from me and have reinforced the idea that the road use is not a right. You don't and should not have the right to attributively take my stuff.

[insane1]

oneofsix you still sound like a fucwit ,man up if you screw up you pay for it simple ,yes the police should have the power to take your car/bike and if needs be impound it for 24 hours ,see how you like that there are consequences for fucking up riding on the road is a privilage not a right.

[insane1]

oneofsix you seem to forget that riding on the road is a privillage not a right ,and if your stupid enough it smack someone either police or whoevers doingb their job you should be locked up throw away the key impound you bike and leave you there to rot ,the roads would be safer without you on them.

[oneofsix]

oneofsix you seem to forget that riding on the road is a privillage not a right ,and if your stupid enough it smack someone either police or whoevers doingb their job you should be locked up throw away the key impound you bike and leave you there to rot ,the roads would be safer without you on them.

insane by name insane by nature. Police should NOT have the power to punish, we have courts for that. Thsi was establish but at the time of the magna carta

[onearmedbandit]

You take my property I kick your head in. Stopping me if even only 5 minutes is an inconvenience and upsets my day, you have stolen anything from me and have reinforced the idea that the road use is not a right. You don't and should not have the right to attributively take my stuff.

Calm down man, I'm not taking anything of yours.

insane by name insane by nature. Police should NOT have the power to punish, we have courts for that. Thsi was establish but at the time of the magna carta

Guess what? IT AIN'T FUCKING WORKING.