Mobile speed cameras

[NordieBoy]

In the course of their duty ... YEP ...

But the camera van isn't operated by a cop...

[Rcktfsh]

Just remember to give them a loud and long blast of your horn whenever passing, show your appreciation for their tireless revenue collecting oops I mean safety work.

[scumdog]

And yeah, the cops can probably park there if they want. That poor old guy that died after he hit the back of the parked cop car had hit the cop car when it was parked on yellow lines in the course of duty.

Nothing like telling only part of the story to make it seem more exciting eh...do you work for a news-paper??

[scumdog]

But the camera van isn't operated by a cop...

Don't ruin their rant by stating facts NB...

[Mad-V2]

I thought this was a relevant query and not a rant.
Good to see the KB "lawyers" are so helpful in answering relevant questions and not quick to point fingers at people

So in short, the OP must have been speeding because he is asking about speed camera placement and therefore doesn't deserve an educated answer, only a telling off.

It would be interesting to see if any people who actually know the answer to this will grow balls and chime in

[red mermaid]

Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004

Part 6 of this rule relates to parking.



1.8 General exceptions

(1) A person is not in breach of this rule if that person proves that—

(a) the act or omission complained of took place in response to a situation on a road; and

(b) the situation was not of the person's own making; and

(c) the act or omission was taken—

(i) to avoid the death or injury of a person; or

(ii) if the act or omission did not create a risk of death or injury or greater damage to any property, to avoid damage to any property.

(2) Subclause (1) does not apply if a court is considering, in proceedings for an offence specified in the Act, whether or not a person had complied with this rule.

(3) A person is not in breach of this rule if that person proves that the act or omission complained of—

(a) took place in compliance with the directions of an enforcement officer, a parking warden, a traffic signal, or a traffic sign; or

(b) in the case of an act or omission done by an enforcement officer or a parking warden, was necessary in the execution of the person's duty.

(4) A person is not in breach of clauses 2.1 to 2.9, 2.13, or 5.3, or Part 6, in relation to a vehicle, if that person proves that—

(a) the vehicle was, at the time of the act or omission complained of, actually engaged in a public work on a road; and

(b) the vehicle was being used on the road with due consideration for other road users; and

(c) the act or omission complained of was reasonably necessary for the purposes of that work; and

(d) he or she took all reasonable care to prevent the occurrence of any accident, mishap, collision, or damage, or any injury to or interference with any person, animal, or property arising because of the act or omission.

[FJRider]

But the camera van isn't operated by a cop...

Never let facts stand in the way of a good thread subject ...

[Guided_monkey]

But if in your 'honest' opinion if they have parked in an unsafe manner *555 them.

Just because they are authorised by law to park there, does not mean they can be unsafe.

[NordieBoy]

But if in your 'honest' opinion if they have parked in an unsafe manner *555 them.

Just because they are authorised by law to park there, does not mean they can be unsafe.

"There's this van with tinted windows that's been parked up for a few hours taking photos of kiddies in cars..."

[Berries]

"There's this van with tinted windows that's been parked up for a few hours taking photos of kiddies in cars..."

and i think the driver had a gun......

[Berries]

Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004

Part 6 of this rule relates to parking.

1.8 General exceptions

(3) A person is not in breach of this rule if that person proves that the act or omission complained of—

(b) in the case of an act or omission done by an enforcement officer or a parking warden, was necessary in the execution of the person's duty.

The problem with 'mobile' speed cameras is the amount of time they spend parked alongside a motorway in an area where parking is not allowed. It is the length of exposure to risk. To me this clause allows an enforcement officer or parking warden to stop where prohibited to carry out work, ie a warden to put a ticket on a car parked on no stopping lines or a cop to stop where he shouldn't when pulling someone over. These are short durations, not the four hours plus that a speed camera van might be parked somewhere dodgy. Like in Dunedin, between the motorway and an off ramp just where someone who isn't concentrating is going to smash in to them when they can't decide if they want that exit or not. Stick them behind guardrails by all means, but shit, that is just stupid placement.

There are genuine safety reasons why parking is banned on motorways. Seems quite off to then have a Police operation deliberately set up in this location putting everyone at risk, including the operator, for a few more $$$. I would have said it was just more easy money, but the vans stick out like dogs balls seeing as nobody else parks there so I can't see that they are all that productive. "So they are working" I hear from the back of the room........

(4) A person is not in breach of clauses 2.1 to 2.9, 2.13, or 5.3, or Part 6, in relation to a vehicle, if that person proves that—

(d) he or she took all reasonable care to prevent the occurrence of any accident, mishap, collision, or damage, or any injury to or interference with any person, animal, or property arising because of the act or omission.

Hmmm, if you park a camera van alongside the motorway within the clear zone and it is unprotected from approaching traffic then you have failed to take "all reasonable care".

[scumdog]

Hmmm, if you park a camera van alongside the motorway within the clear zone and it is unprotected from approaching traffic then you have failed to take "all reasonable care".

In YOUR opinion.

Take it to Court....

[Berries]

I should have said if you park a camera van alongside the motorway within the clear zone and it is unprotected from approaching traffic and you get hit by another vehicle, errant or otherwise, then you have failed to take "all reasonable care".

I wasn't talking about a ticket, if you get caught by that speed camera you deserve one for being unobservant. I was implying that parking there just because you can is not necessarily a bright move. First you have introduced a hazard in to an area that wasn't there previously, second you are causing a change in driver behaviour simply by being there, heavy braking and all that leading to a potential increase in conflict, and third some other goon is going to think it is ok to park in the same spot for a picnic because they have seen the van doing it.

It'll all be sweet until someone gets hurt.

[Mad-V2]

Your on the money there! Just because you can, doesn't mean it's safe or you should.
But as usual it will take some Innocent persons life to make people realise how unsafe it really is. Whats it called? "risk vs benefit factor" I believe.
Risk to public = Who cares
Benefit to revenue = Do what it takes
People who make and enforce laws should be the first to adhere to them, otherwise whats the point.
Fucking double standards!!

[p.dath]

Not sure how it works around the rest of the country but whenever I see a mobile speed camera it's parked off the road either on the grass or sneakily behind a tree or on the embankment. I've never seen one on the roadside itself.
And yeah, the cops can probably park there if they want. That poor old guy that died after he hit the back of the parked cop car had hit the cop car when it was parked on yellow lines in the course of duty.

I think this is generally the key - they park on the grass verge off the road.

However, let me also bring this legislation to your attention ("Government Roading Powers Act 1989 No 75"), which lists powers the NZTA has:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...DLM173374.html

(7) For the purposes of exercising any function or performing any power in relation to the construction, maintenance, financial assistance, or control under this Act, the Agency may from time to time determine, either generally or in relation to any specified road or to any portion or side of any specified road, what part of a road is a carriageway, footway, water table, drain, dividing strip, traffic island, safety zone, plantation, verge, shoulder, parking space, curb, channel, or other thing, and every such determination of the Agency is final but may at any time be amended or revoked by the Agency