Premier clutch friction plates

[XF650]

I spent the 3 days GPS logging every track through Hohonu and Nemona Forest, some of the tracks were steep and/or rocky in paces. Blackwater Creek track is a wee gem the only problem is it is too short

Did you find the air strip?

[Crim]

Wonder if running a thicker oil would help??

No, still think it would drown in a puddle that big

[NordieBoy]

So the common factors are Premier plates, HD springs and heaps of grunt.

[ADVGD]

So the common factors are Premier plates, HD springs and heaps of grunt.

Premier plates, yes, and after hitting up the supplier he seemed surprised to hear my report. After further discussion he mentioned that this was the same manufacturer as EBC clutches and brakes and that he had never had any complaints

More Googling seems to back up that these clutches are prone to this...

http://www.exriders.com/archive/topic/173072-1.html

The supplier is going to the rep to see what his responce is, it'll be interesting to hear back...

[NordieBoy]

Same manufacturer?

As in, out the back door of the same factory in China or EBC's "budget" arm.

[ADVGD]

Same manufacturer?

As in, out the back door of the same factory in China or EBC's "budget" arm.

Yep, aparently they are produced in the same factory and retailed under differnt brands, but from all the bad posts its hard to know which one is the "budget" arm.

I found this on a suppliers website company profile:

Premier Friction is a leading Manufacturer of Clutch Plate in Anand Parbat region of Delhi

So it looks like they are an Indian based company...

[ADVGD]

Where were you riding on the Coast, that caused this clutch grief?

Here > West Coast Ride

[DEATH_INC.]

Just outta interest, (not an adv bike I know) I ran the premier plates in my old gsxr, and they were shite. Slipped when cold and were marginal when warm even with heaps of play in the adjusters. Junk, wouldn't EVER use them again.

[ADVGD]

... Junk, wouldn't EVER use them again.

Cheers for the feedback mate, interesting to hear issues for road use also, haven't heard or read anything good about Premier/EBC yet...

[gammaguy]

I'll use this image of your bike as an example of where the clutch is located on a motorbike



Oh hang on Woodman, it appears your clutch housing is obscured by a sh*t load of water and mud

so that a wet clutch?

[Brian d marge]

Premier plates, yes, and after hitting up the supplier he seemed surprised to hear my report. After further discussion he mentioned that this was the same manufacturer as EBC clutches and brakes and that he had never had any complaints

More Googling seems to back up that these clutches are prone to this...

http://www.exriders.com/archive/topic/173072-1.html

The supplier is going to the rep to see what his response is, it'll be interesting to hear back...

Trust me on this one , Take an oil sample , crack the sump a wee bit and into a clean jar ,,,,an Indian company , lets just say they are a tad worse ( some of them ) than the Chinese

By the way I know George from EbC , can give you his email if you want !

Stephen

[ADVGD]

Trust me on this one , Take an oil sample , crack the sump a wee bit and into a clean jar

Presumably you are leading to the possibility of clutch fibre contaminated oil? I only use quality OEM oil filters so this should pick up all traces of this, regardless I did drop some oil for inspection and saw nothing out of the ordinary for fresh oil and filter at the time of the fibre plates install with only 1,200km from the last trip on it.

Nothing has changed in this formula:

• same bike
• same gear loading
• same Elf fully synthetic oil
• same OEM oil filter
• same riding style

… the only new addition here is the Premier clutch fibres.

By the way I know George from EbC , can give you his email if you want !

I don’t ever like to go off guns blazing criticizing a product before all the facts are known, hence the reason for this thread trying to see what reputation they have based on other peoples experiences. With all the bad posts on forums world wide and the increasing amount of information by talking to others in the industry I am comfortable is saying the these plates have an undeniably bad reputation by "some people", in all the bad posts claiming bad fading issues etc not one person has posted in their defence saying they are ok or a good quality product. That’s enough for me to steer well clear of them. I always aim to by quality products as I frequently go into remote places and its just not worth risking it with low quality parts in order to save a few measly bucks. Pretty gutted to be in this position but am here because the supplier told me the reason I was supplied the Premier plates was due to no OEM plates in NZ for another month, Premier were the only ones available in NZ. Thanks for the offer of the contact Stephen, I appreciate this, but there is no need as I have no interest in purchasing any Premier or EBC products in the future. I have just ordered some Moose Racing fibre plates from the States, from the research I have done their reputaion is equal to or better than OEM, we'll soon see...

Cheers again for your help

[Brian d marge]

Oil tests pick up stuff that microns thick , and pass easily through the filter , Actually they can tell you a lot about what happening inside your engine Here they are about 15 dollars a test , but I wouldnt be sure about NZ ,
Here OEM parts are very reasonable , a set plain and friction for my CR is about 150 dollars complete , A couple of tricks I use to get better clutches are ; A if you can get another plate in , B Alternate springs if you can. finally HD springs , ( the preferred is another plate)

Good luck on the alt brand , Oh BTW I also use auto transmission fluid in my Cr , but that is a race bike and the oil is changed every race , That Elf synthetic , nothing untoward about that? some plates dont like synthetic

Stephen