Mobile speed cameras

**rastuscat** · 16th July 2011, 16:06

Originally Posted by Guided_monkey

Just because they are authorised by law to park there, does not mean they can be unsafe.

Absolutely correct. The law provides a defence to parking, but not to dangerous parking.

So, per the OP, was the camera van parked dangerously? Or was it just parked illegally, under claim of an exemption?

Just like the Popos can be exempted from the speed limit in the execution of their duty, but not from driving dangerously.

Thanks to the mermaid for quoting the legislation. I was looking for it, but is was stuck in the mire of Brookers.

So there.

**scumdog** · 16th July 2011, 16:08

Originally Posted by rastuscat

Thanks to the mermaid for quoting the legislation. I was looking for it, but is was stuck in the mire of Brookers.

So there.

Yeah, ya gotta watch them Brookers mires...sticky-as

**JATZ** · 16th July 2011, 19:29

Originally Posted by rastuscat

So, per the OP, was the camera van parked dangerously? Or was it just parked illegally, under claim of an exemption?

No......
it was just parked on the side of the "motorway" (and i use that term loosely)
I was just wondering about the legality of it.
Thanks to squire mermaid for the clarification.
I guess I cant go and rip the driver out of his seat and make a citizens arrest next time I see him parked there

**NordieBoy** · 16th July 2011, 20:09

Originally Posted by JATZ

No......
it was just parked on the side of the "motorway" (and i use that term loosely)

The signs just say it's a passing zone. "Keep left unless passing"...

**marty** · 16th July 2011, 20:37

Originally Posted by Mad-V2

I thought this was a relevant query and not a rant.
Good to see the KB "lawyers" are so helpful in answering relevant questions and not quick to point fingers at people

So in short, the OP must have been speeding because he is asking about speed camera placement and therefore doesn't deserve an educated answer, only a telling off.

It would be interesting to see if any people who actually know the answer to this will grow balls and chime in

it's the fucking internet man. very little is relevant, including your expectation that you'll get an educated answer, even less so on KB.

**Mad-V2** · 17th July 2011, 15:08

And I thought the info in this thread was going in the right direction to answering the op's question.
Unlike a lot of people here, I actually like to hear peoples opinions and views on current laws. Or how easily people roll over to be raped by the long cock of the law.
Sounds like quite a few of you actually believe that every police officer in New Zealand 100% upholds the law and would never abuse his/her powers.
Remember that people are people no matter what uniform they wear, everybody has a price whether they like to admit or not and YES there are lots of corrupt coppas out there who will fuck you over to make themselves look good or to cover their arse. I have seen first hand evidence of this twice in Wanganui, one drug dealer and one peeping tom. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE PEOPLE

**Berries** · 17th July 2011, 21:28

Playing the devils advocate here for a moment, whether they are parked legally or not speed cameras are hardly fucking people over. You have to be breaking the law to get photographed so it is a bit different to being framed for something you didn't do.

**Mad-V2** · 18th July 2011, 05:20

It's not about complaining about breaking the law, it's about whether or not it is worth parking a speed camera van in a place you should normally not stop due to the safety of other road users.
If someone crashed due to the van being there, would the van driver be accountable for being parked where he shouldn't really be?

**Berries** · 18th July 2011, 22:14

Originally Posted by Mad-V2

It's not about complaining about breaking the law, it's about whether or not it is worth parking a speed camera van in a place you should normally not stop due to the safety of other road users.

I would suggest that as speed cameras are supposed to be about improving road safety they should not be parked in a place where other road users are prohibited from parking for safety reasons and that the exception quoted from the Road User Rule was not intended for this kind of longer term use.

Originally Posted by Mad-V2

If someone crashed due to the van being there, would the van driver be accountable for being parked where he shouldn't really be?

I couldn't answer that. But going back to the original motorway issue, if there was a totally unrelated crash and the van ended up getting hit leading to an increase in injury severity then I would hope that questions are asked as to why it was parked there.

**Jack Miller** · 25th July 2011, 14:03

Originally Posted by Berries

Playing the devils advocate here for a moment, whether they are parked legally or not speed cameras are hardly fucking people over. You have to be breaking the law to get photographed so it is a bit different to being framed for something you didn't do.

Unless the speed camera is calibrated wrong and ticketing innocents as has been proven to have happened in Australia

**Jack Miller** · 25th July 2011, 14:08

Originally Posted by red mermaid

Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004
1.8 General exceptions
(1) A person is not in breach of this rule if that person proves that ...
(ii) the act or omission did not create a risk of death or injury...
(3) A person is not in breach of this rule if that person proves that the act or omission complained of ...
[B](b) in the case of an act or omission done by an enforcement officer or a parking warden, was necessary in the execution of the person's duty.

The person parking the van illegally to operate a speed camera is guilty. If anyone pressed charges the parker/operator would have to prove it wasn't risky and was necessary to avoid conviction. But who would bother to press charges?

**Mad-V2** · 25th July 2011, 14:37

If I was in an accident caused by a speed camera being parked illegally, I would press charges. Same as if it was any other vehicle on the road

Next time ya see one parked illegally, call a tow truck.

**scumdog** · 25th July 2011, 19:21

Originally Posted by Mad-V2

Next time ya see one parked illegally, call a tow truck.

Pffft, like they would take any notice of ya...

Troll points: 2.3
Must try harder.

**Jack Miller** · 26th July 2011, 10:07

Originally Posted by FJRider

How fast were you going when they pinged ya ... ???

You're have a nastily suspicious mind don't you. At least apply some balance to your suspicious nature - it's not always the biker at fault and apparently it wasn't in this case. When are you going to accept that the cops aren't squeaky clean. They do issue tickets illegally. It is perfectly legitimate for bikers, who are often the victims of this arrogant illegal bullying, to question cops' tactics when they appear to be illegal. Jumping to the conclusion that the biker was at fault is just bigotry.