Umm .. err .. yeah .. fair call.Originally Posted by Swoop
However that does not undermine the argument - only their credibility.
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Anarchic Wild Child
Umm .. err .. yeah .. fair call.
However that does not undermine the argument - only their credibility.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Forum whore
Yeah and ?
Ive run out of fucks to give
Anarchic Wild Child
No come on .. surely even you can see that one or two people's fuck ups does not undermine the argument .. just cause they fuck it up does not make the argument invalid .. the argumtn is NOT dependent on their good actions ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
dodgy is as dodgy does
It's the good old strawman argument in action and somewhat irrelevant given Fitzsimons is not a member of the Green caucus. It also reinforces the general ignorance of the political process, especially under MMP.
BTW Bill English and John Key both own investment properties - does that make them ineligible to comment on CGT? Or are the Greens subject to a different standard?
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Forum whore
So they are using their power to contradict their investment objectives, how is this bad?
you say it like its wrong to be successful like a communist or something, if we bag success or the suggestion of it we are all doomed especially if we vote with that attitude, i.e for a handout from the taxpayer.
No, they are subjected to the same as the rest of the parties out there.
Ive run out of fucks to give
dodgy is as dodgy does
Oh dear, you really are a little confused about politics and economics so I'll try and make it simple.
Capital gains tax (CGT) is something that Labour have come up with and it means capital gains, which is where an asset increases in value, is taxed. The capital gain on investment properties are probably the most common example of this; therefore CGT is going to mean people who have investment properties will pay more tax (you understand "pay more tax" well).
The NZ Treasury, the IMF. OECD and a raft of independent economic advisers have said a CGT is a really good idea for NZ's economic growth and long term prosperity and almost every other member of the OECD has one, but despite this Bill English and John Key both say it's a bad idea.
They will be negatively impacted by the introduction of a CGT, so are they qualified to comment?
And you love to condemn success - or is that only when people you don't agree with are successful?
BTW, you keeping an eye on them Somali untermenschens?
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Forum whore
HaHa yeah oops that will teach me to focus on one thing at a time DOH
phones two puters deadline for meeting YOU !!
fuck
yes youre right
Ive run out of fucks to give
dodgy is as dodgy does
YHaHa yeah oops that will teach me to focus on one thing at a time DOH
phones two puters deadline for meeting YOU !!
fuck
yes youre right
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Forum whore
where else ? or did I miss something ?Y
Ive run out of fucks to give
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Much like Cheryl having to decide whether to wear the boob-tube or the lingere top to entice Dazza into the back of his Falcon panel van.
Either way Dazza is going to be fucked over.
The small problem with communist entities is the basic fact that they fail. The Soviet Union being the prime example, succumbed to individuals who thought they could make their lives better. Capitalism seems to do that and I guess Jeaneatte had a dose of capitalism with her windfarm involvement.
You made your choice of bike over Hyosung, Aprillia, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati, Husaberg, etc, etc.
Thank fuck for capitalism eh?, otherwise we would all be riding the Motorcycle Factory #12 (ex tractor factory #12) motorcycle type #54.
Interesting to see that communist china is adopting the capitalist pathway for success even though paying lip service to their red roots. This will obviously continue until the populus rebel against this method. Until then, Dazza will be well shafted.
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Anarchic Wild Child
See .. some of us would argue that there has never been a truly communist country ... Cuba may come close, but not even close enough for Government work.
Despite that, you also seem to have a limited view of what Communism means - and it's only a stage on the pathway from capitalism, through Socialism, Communism to the goal of the dictatorship of the proletariat - (unfortunate choice of words from Mr Marx) which would be control by the people, of the people, for the people .. recognise that slogan from anywhere?
The reason many of us would argue that there has nwever been a communist state is that these states labeled as communist have seen their form of government as the end-point, not a stgae in the passage towards the end point .. and have been ruled by the bourgoisie and the intellegensia ... and created their own power structure ...
And capitalism would seem to be failing as well. The problem is not the system of the state, but the state itself ... all states are doomed to failure.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
SH1 rider
funny, it used to be communism verses democracy, now its communism verses capitalism. Guess that's because communism is both a financial system and a political system, at least according to western media.
No country has ever been truly communist, capitalist or democratic. No country ever will as these are ideas not really systems so anyone trying to build them as a system is doomed to fail. IMO
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
I have a fair view of communism, having traveled to The Soviet Union when it was still exactly that.
Quite true that all forms of rule are destined to fail in one way or another...
(The quote was from Monty Python)
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Anarchic Wild Child
Now I would suggest that having travelled to the Soviet Union you do not have a good view of Communism at all ...I have a fair view of communism, having traveled to The Soviet Union when it was still exactly that.
Quite true that all forms of rule are destined to fail in one way or another...
(The quote was from Monty Python
Soviet Russia was not Communist - it was a totalitarian state run by the intellegensia for its own ends ... and to achieve what the intellegensia thought was good for "the workers" ..
They were just as full of their own bullshit and crap as most politicians - probably more so because they believed their shit did not stink ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
I'ma get medieval on your ass!
Abraham Lincoln.
Wrong. It's a good example of how integrity can be twisted by others. Jeanette Fitzsimons believes in alternative energy technology. So she put a small amount of her money into a New Zealand company which was having a go. In other words she put her money where her mouth is.
So did a lot of other people who wanted to see a local company succeed. Hell - one of our problems is that Kiwis do not invest in our own businesses - then cry when overseas buyers step in.
No wait - this'll make the cynics happy. NZ Windflow Technologies is on the brink of closing down. Fail. So Jeanette, Helen Clark et al lose their money.
Don't ya just feel all warm and fuzzy to see Greens and environmentalists, not to mention NZ employees, engineers, and scientists - all failing. Yeah must be karma man teach them hippies to try and save the planet.
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