Who will win the 2011 election?

[Quasievil]

Money people just see government as another way of lining their pockets and generally couldn't give a shit if they bleed the populace dry in the process.

Forgot this Bit, the current Money man doesnt take a Salary, he gives it to Charity, what where you saying ?

lastly, do you realise how much hidden code is in your post?

[shrub]

The Sky the Sky its falling !!!

we should really let people with no money skills run our country eh ?
even better would be tree hugging save the gay whale bludgers , that would be a winner.
Country is doing fine with a money man at the top thanks

Yes, quite. You intrigue me Quasi, you're not as stupid as you first appear and are probably quite intelligent, but you are poorly educated and very naiive which means you base all your opinions on the simplistic, highly polarised and largely false dogma you are fed by the people you want to believe. Your lack of education means you haven't learned to read critically and you don't bother reading anything that you don't agree with or don't understand.

John Key is NOT a "money man" in the sense of being an economic wizard or even an expert on finance or economics. Basically he made his fortune as a wheeler dealer on the global markets and did so in an era when it was quite easy to do that - the 90s. It's like getting a guy who is really good at buying and selling bikes to be the mechanic for a racing team. BTW he doesn't actually make the financial decisions (or really any decisions), he has a team of advisors who do that.

He (and National) have done an appalling job of running this country and we are very deep in the shit right now, and getting deeper every day - we are extremely close to joining the PIGS. Our exchange rate alone is killing this country and as long as we are tied to the idiotic RB Act that won't change. We are currently highly dependent on agriculture and tourism to earn money, and being so dependent on such a narrow sector is incredibly dangerous, especially as dairy (our great white hope) is an industry mired in ridiculous levels of debt and one that is impossible to enter without incurring more debty. And selling shares in the energy companis is quite probably the stupidest thing I have seen a political party do since Muldoon made inflation illegal and ultimately has the potential to economically cripple NZ. It seems the only solution Key et al have to lifting our economic performance is tax cuts and reductions in government spending combined with asset sales.

I won't waste my time explaining what's wrong and what we need to do because you won't understand me, and even if you could you would refuse to, because what I have to say goes against your cherished worldview. Kind of like expecting a fundamentalist Christian to believe that the Bible is a book written by superstitious human beings thousands of years ago, so has almost no value or relevance.

And on that note, I am sick of computers, sick of politics and sick of Christchurch so I am going to fuck off to Kaikoura for a few days and get drunk.

[shrub]

Forgot this Bit, the current Money man doesnt take a Salary, he gives it to Charity, what where you saying ?

lastly, do you realise how much hidden code is in your post?

Yes, but he made a lot of money over the last 12 months - I wonder how much of that was tax free capital gains? I'd say the majority of it, and how much of your income did you pay tax on last year?

Hidden code? Lket me guess, he is in league with Al Gore and Nandor Tancoz to take over the world by making you pay more tax and is using KB to communicate a secret message to the headquarters in a volcano?

[oldrider]

I am drunk.

"so nothing has changed then"! (Too good an opportunity to ignore)

[Quasievil]

I won't waste my time explaining what's wrong and what we need to do because you won't understand me,

What if I say pretty please would you then.

Fact is tho you cant so I understand...........as well as disagree completely with every thing you said, but it was funny as fuck (seriously)

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What if I say pretty please would you then.

Fact is tho you cant so I understand...........as well as disagree completely with every thing you said, but it was funny as fuck (seriously)

I think Shrub was charitable in suggesting you have a modicum of intelligence - I've yet to see any evidence.

Great argument you've got there btw - "I disagree with everything you said so there"

[Quasievil]

I think Shrub was charitable in suggesting you have a modicum of intelligence - I've yet to see any evidence.

Great argument you've got there btw - "I disagree with everything you said so there"

Thats a bit rough, Shrub and I have been elbowing each other a bit lately, and that was just another one in response.
Shrub in the previous posts responding to mine generally doesnt have any substance at all behind his comments.

"John Key is not a money man" what the fuck, john key made his fortune in the money markets, to suggest he doesnt know or understand money is completely ridiculous, he also has a bachelor of commerce degree in accounting, so seriously WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TAKING ABOUT?

Furthermore John Key and his Government have done a very good Job in managing the NZ economy during its term thus far given the situation they recieved it in (after 9 years of poor government) from Labour add to that a Global recession, a Subprime Mortgage crises and its impacts on NZ ,and more recent events such as the Earthquakes and its current and future impacts.
Fact is the majority of New Zealanders share my opinion also judging by the current poll surveys they dont need a coalition partner, sorry if that hurts you but thats the facts.

I however am on the fence still, I dont like their subscription to the ETS scam, nor do I like the idea of selling our assets, I also dont like the ACC vs the bikers crap.

In response to the NZ dollar comment, you must be insane if you think for a moment NZ can muscle out the influences of the declining US dollar, do you think we are a major player in the global market or something?
I will admit I dont understand the impacts of the RB act, whats the deal there?
(Im man enough to admit if I dont understand, so you can whack in another insult there if you want which Im sure you do)

You spend most of your writings on this thread saying things like "I cant be bothered explaining" and "I wont waste my time" etc etc etc, but really you dont or havent actually said anything that will encourage me or anyone (given my long list of green rep on this) to think you can place yourself on the supreme political pedestal that you seem to claim.

so in closing say something to back yourself up or heaven forbid say something that you think might improve the situation?

[Quasievil]

Hidden code? Lket me guess, he is in league with Al Gore and Nandor Tancoz to take over the world by making you pay more tax and is using KB to communicate a secret

Hit reply to SPmans quote so you understand, there is significant code there, have a look it wasnt that hard to figure out.
fuck and you guys insult my intelligence

[mashman]

Forgot this Bit, the current Money man doesnt take a Salary, he gives it to Charity, what where you saying ?

Do you reckon he claimed his 33.33333% tax incentive ...

[Quasievil]

Do you reckon he claimed his 33.33333% tax incentive ...

I dont know, if he was entitled to it why shouldnt he?

[mashman]

I dont know, if he was entitled to it why shouldnt he?

Entitled? Like the bludgers you mean? ironic much. He has millions in the "bank", yet claims money off the govt because he is entitled to it? because he made a charitable donation? ... I'm not saying that he has done this. But given his position as PM etc... I would have expected more. Tis why I don't vote. They really aren't there for NZ at all... but that's just my opinion.

[Quasievil]

Tis why I don't vote.

Ahhhh the Ostrich effect, you choose instead to bury your head in the sand and not try to change anything (apart from KB ranting that is)

so if your a politician youre not entitled to anything? is that your argument?

[Quasievil]

Entitled? Like the bludgers you mean?

I fairly sure one works and the other doesnt, I dont see the irony here.

[mashman]

I fairly sure one works and the other doesnt, I dont see the irony here.

So you should be allowed to take out, as long as you have put in? Fair enough...

[rainman]

Their mate Garth from down at the pub reckons there should be less MPs, and Garth has a grouse Commodore and a hot missus, so you gotta take what he says seriously.

Sorry for coming in so late on this thread, but I couldn't resist. This comment is, sadly, the most succinct definition of NZ politics and society that I have seen. Bravo shrub!

Fact is the majority of New Zealanders share my opinion also judging by the current poll surveys they dont need a coalition partner, sorry if that hurts you but thats the facts.

Quasi, fact is a vast number of NZers are dumber than two bags of hammers, a fact that you have ably demonstrated on this thread. Sorry if that's mean, but... well, you obviously just don't see how funny your arguments are (at least at first, until I think about the fact that there are many people that actually think like you, then I also want to go somewhere and get drunk).

I recently saw a friend of mine who took up residence in NZ a few years ago after a highly successful career in Europe. He's leaving. Why? Because we are a "dull and visionless people, almost universally lacking in capability and intelligence". We're "governed at all levels by some of the most incompetent buffoons" he's ever seen. He's leaving because in his time here he has "only found a handful of people with a brain and who are worth talking to". Hardly anyone he has met "has any concept of the real world", and we are "incredibly immature". NZ business is "pathetic" and "managed by short-sighted, small-minded dolts". He's a rightie in terms of political DNA, not a big fan of the Nats though. Likes Labour's CGT, not Labour itself. He has no particular axe to grind, and actively wanted to come here and build something new and successful. He's tried to launch a number of things that would probably have worked elsewhere. His conclusion: We're too small, and too small-minded - just not up to it. Our loss.

We're well screwed. Almost undoubtedly National will win the election, much though I would hope this would not be the case, and we will be even less well placed to deal with the real world than we were at the last election. The consequences of this decision will probably cripple the country for decades, but hey, democracy's a bitch, right?