Are we being ripped off?

[Rover]

Being the normal web surfing and used the Triumph wen site to compare Triumph Bonneville SE prices in different countries.
NZ = $15,800
US= US$8,600 = NZ$9,700
GB = 6749 pounds = NZ$12,600
Canada =Ca$9899 = NZ$11,800
I know GST and slightly higher shipping costs need to go on top, but right now it looks cheaper to pay the GST and shipping and import direct from the States.
$9700 for a SE + GST $1500 + shipping $1500 = $12,700 which leaves $3,000 left over.
I know the local guy has to make a profit, but hay so does the States guy.
Something doesn't seem fair?

[nzspokes]

Good luck with warranty.

[CHOPPA]

Being the normal web surfing and used the Triumph wen site to compare Triumph Bonneville SE prices in different countries.
NZ = $15,800
US= US$8,600 = NZ$9,700
GB = 6749 pounds = NZ$12,600
Canada =Ca$9899 = NZ$11,800
I know GST and slightly higher shipping costs need to go on top, but right now it looks cheaper to pay the GST and shipping and import direct from the States.
$9700 for a SE + GST $1500 + shipping $1500 = $12,700 which leaves $3,000 left over.
I know the local guy has to make a profit, but hay so does the States guy.
Something doesn't seem fair?

I dont think the distributors and dealers get a refund on the price they paid months ago for there bikes when our dollar gets stronger?

[DMNTD:Me]

I dont think the distributors and dealers get a refund on the price they paid months ago for there bikes when our dollar gets stronger?

lol....yeah that would be nice!

[maxlev]

Good luck with warranty.

Does the quality deteriorate if local dealers can't snout the trough?


an example from the marine industry
(another recreational toy like a motorcycle)
Suzuki DF300 outboard
NZ 53k nz$ (imported after order placed)
USA 19k us$ = 25k nz$

[Katman]

Does the quality deteriorate if local dealers can't snout the trough?

Local dealers' margins on new bike sales can hardly be considered snouting the trough.

[Robert Taylor]

Being the normal web surfing and used the Triumph wen site to compare Triumph Bonneville SE prices in different countries.
NZ = $15,800
US= US$8,600 = NZ$9,700
GB = 6749 pounds = NZ$12,600
Canada =Ca$9899 = NZ$11,800
I know GST and slightly higher shipping costs need to go on top, but right now it looks cheaper to pay the GST and shipping and import direct from the States.
$9700 for a SE + GST $1500 + shipping $1500 = $12,700 which leaves $3,000 left over.
I know the local guy has to make a profit, but hay so does the States guy.
Something doesn't seem fair?

Its all about currency, its all about when the stock has to be ordered and the currency at that time. Its also all about very low margins. Im actually VERY glad Im not a motorcycle dealer anymore. Some margins are 9%, you cant survive on that with modern day overheads, even overheads from the past.
The Yanks have operated on cheap credit and high turnover / very low margins for years. Look at where they are now, getting deeper into debt. Many complex reasons but it shows that their credit and business mentality is very suspect. What is unfair is that they are dragging down the rest of the world with them.

[YellowDog]

Being the normal web surfing and used the Triumph wen site to compare Triumph Bonneville SE prices in different countries.
NZ = $15,800
US= US$8,600 = NZ$9,700
GB = 6749 pounds = NZ$12,600
Canada =Ca$9899 = NZ$11,800
I know GST and slightly higher shipping costs need to go on top, but right now it looks cheaper to pay the GST and shipping and import direct from the States.
$9700 for a SE + GST $1500 + shipping $1500 = $12,700 which leaves $3,000 left over.
I know the local guy has to make a profit, but hay so does the States guy.
Something doesn't seem fair?

It's just the currency going crazy. When the grobal prices were set, the then exchange rate made them all fairly even and unattractive to personal importers.

Best advice: Buy all the US or GB currency you can now. In six months time, you can my NZ$ back with it and make more money than you will have saved. You can then buy the cheapest option, which will be locally

[willytheekid]

Try NZ HP's 40% mark up! (not bike related ripoff...but STILL!!)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/ga...e-for-TouchPad

"The pricing discrepancy was due to factors including GST, freight, economies of scale and the costs of retail channels"

....there bloody joking if they can justify that bullshit explanation!
but then again its just the NZ retailers that will suffer in the end (shame), as anyone can order over the internet now days and circumvent the "economies of scale"...what ever THAT "actually" means

[nzspokes]

Does the quality deteriorate if local dealers can't snout the trough?

Well is it tuned to NZ gas? Headlights sorted for RH drive? And if something does stuff up thats warranty its a long way to return ship.

Good Luck with that.

[YellowDog]

Well is it tuned to NZ gas? Headlights sorted for RH drive? And if something does stuff up thats warranty its a long way to return ship.

Good Luck with that.

Many modern bikes have synchronous beams which are OK for both sides of the road.

Warrantee is international. If the local dealer wants the work, they can claim on the international warrantee. Not an issue.

What is an issue is going though the trouble and risk of importing a non-NZ spec bike. It may be better, it may be worse. To save a coupe of thousand dollars getting the bike on the road is madness.

IMO - You'd have to be saving much much more to make it worth while.

[Katman]

If the local dealer wants the work, they can claim on the international warrantee.

I think you'll find dealers don't want warranty work.

[Robert Taylor]

I think you'll find dealers don't want warranty work.

200% correct, its the very best way of losing money given the abysmal reimbursement rates and the even more abysmal flat rate times. Typical example 6 hours allowed to do a crankshaft change on a multi cylinder bike when it often takes double that amount of time, or more. Who pays for that shortfall? And if the dealer didnt sell the bike there isnt even a measly profit margin to eat into.
Its amazing how many people simplistically think they are being ripped off when the reality is often quite the opposite.

[Robert Taylor]

Try NZ HP's 40% mark up! (not bike related ripoff...but STILL!!)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/ga...e-for-TouchPad

"The pricing discrepancy was due to factors including GST, freight, economies of scale and the costs of retail channels"

....there bloody joking if they can justify that bullshit explanation!
but then again its just the NZ retailers that will suffer in the end (shame), as anyone can order over the internet now days and circumvent the "economies of scale"...what ever THAT "actually" means

Their explanation actually has more than a ring of truth to it, common theme that many small businesses are currently experiencing.

Are you aware of the percentage of small businesses in NZ that made a loss last financial year?

[scracha]

....there bloody joking if they can justify that bullshit explanation!
but then again its just the NZ retailers that will suffer in the end (shame), as anyone can order over the internet now days and circumvent the "economies of scale"...what ever THAT "actually" means

Blame the distributers, not the resellers. Expensive running a business here - rip off banks, rip off utilities, rip off mastercard/visa, rip off eftpos. Combine with VERY strong consumer laws.

I'm sure resellers in this country could be as cheap as imports from other countries if they could compete on an even basis - you know,
a) have more than one distributer for a given item
b) not actually hold much stock or spare parts
c) circumvent GST like most consumer importers
d) tell the customer to basically get fucked if it breaks after 12 months